Net Hung Up

[Raymond]

I must admit I have the bad habit of stopping play immediately even though one of my most respected mentors has always told me and my peers to play on.

It something I need to condition myself to stop doing.

[Johnny Ringo]

By rule or the lack of a rule or procedure, you are not supposed to stop play on a hung net.

I had a VB game earlier this year and my partner had been watching the nets in warmups and said to me that the nets to to get hung and told me DO NOT stop play for this. I did not question him at the time just said o.k.

Sure enough, the net gets hung early in the game and I stopped play - there was no full court press or fast break - and fixed the nets. He was not happy with me. But, he got over it.

Was I wrong?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

By rule or the lack of a rule or procedure, you are not supposed to stop play on a hung net.

I had a VB game earlier this year and my partner had been watching the nest in warmups and said to me that the nets to to get hung and told me DO NOT stop play for this. I did not question him at the time just said o.k.

Sure enough, the net gets hung early in the game and I stopped play - there was no full court press or fast break - and fixed the nest. He was not happy with me. But, he got over it.

Was I wrong?

I hope whatever was living in the nest thanked you after the game.

[Nevadaref]

I actually talk about this in pregame with my crew. I have some partners who feel strongly that we should stop the game and others who feel equally strongly that we should not.
We make a decision how we are going to handle it that night and then stay consistent.

Personally, I believe that an immediate stoppage is the way to go as the basket does not meet the requirements of 1-10-1 with the net in that position. It is to be "suspended beneath the ring."

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I actually talk about this in pregame with my crew. I have some partners who feel strongly that we should stop the game and others who feel equally strongly that we should not.
We make a decision how we are going to handle it that night and then stay consistent.

Personally, I believe that an immediate stoppage is the way to go as the basket does not meet the requirements of 1-10-1 with the net in that position. It is to be "suspended beneath the ring."

That decides it for me. I will stop everytime based on that rule. Thanks NevadaRef, you always bring it!

[JRutledge]

A couple of years ago the NF put out a ruling that said we should only stop this maybe the first or second time it happens. If it continues to happen the NF said to not stop play all game for this reason. The main remedy they suggested was to have the net changed. Now this was in their NF Guidebook that is produced every year. I believe this was about 2 years old. Not sure that ruling still applies, but that is the last I heard someone mention it.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

A couple of years ago the NF put out a ruling that said we should only stop this maybe the first or second time it happens. If it continues to happen the NF said to not stop play all game for this reason. The main remedy they suggested was to have the net changed. Now this was in their NF Guidebook that is produced every year. I believe this was about 2 years old. Not sure that ruling still applies, but that is the last I heard someone mention it.

Peace

O' irony of ironies! Rut is quoting an old ruling by the NFHS which is not in a current book.

PS Whatever was put out if it was by the NFHS, I believe it was a lot more than two years ago. Perhaps what you saw came from the IHSA.

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

O' irony of ironies! Rut is quoting an old ruling by the NFHS which is not in a current book.

PS Whatever was put out if it was by the NFHS, I believe it was a lot more than two years ago. Perhaps what you saw came from the IHSA.

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Nope, I don't think this was just an IHSA thing. But it must have been a long time back because I don't remember it in the last 8-9 years. Was it before that Rut? Nevada, as for your immediate stoppage, you're going to stop a fast break by the opponents to fix a net. I don't think so. Just wait for a dead ball then take care of it if it hasn't been taken care of by a shot.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by refnrev

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Nope, I don't think this was just an IHSA thing. But it must have been a long time back because I don't remember it in the last 8-9 years. Was it before that Rut?

There was an actual case play at one time iirc. And it did say to wait for a play stoppage to fix the net. Like many case plays, it simply disappeared with no comment.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by refnrev

Nevada, as for your immediate stoppage, you're going to stop a fast break by the opponents to fix a net. I don't think so. Just wait for a dead ball then take care of it if it hasn't been taken care of by a shot.

What fast break?
Don't we have a dead ball on the goal that was scored which caused the net to get hung up?

I'm taking care of this right away during that dead ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

O' irony of ironies! Rut is quoting an old ruling by the NFHS which is not in a current book.

There is a huge difference in you and me. I know this ruling was old and I am not saying it has to be followed to the letter like you do all the time.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

PS Whatever was put out if it was by the NFHS, I believe it was a lot more than two years ago. Perhaps what you saw came from the IHSA.

Actually you would be wrong (again). This was addressed in the NF Guidebook which is put out by the NF and Referee Magazine. Officials from Illinois get a free copy when they attend IHSA Rules Meetings. And it could not have been more than 3 years ago. I am out of town and do not have access to my old guidebooks to give an exact year. I will also say that what the NF said to do was not a hard line ruling. They gave a couple of ways to handle this and basically put the onus on the schools and game management to fix this problem. I neither agree nor disagree either way with the position of the NF. I just said how it was talked about through the NF and how they addressed this situation.

Peace

[Johnny Ringo]

After everything I have read here debating this, I would say I would stop the game based on rule 1-10-1 ... 15-18 inches in length, suspended from beneath the rim.

or if possible and known - change the nets. Not fair to the shooters to have to shoot at a not normal looknig target.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This was addressed in the NF Guidebook which is put out by the NF and Referee Magazine. Officials from Illinois get a free copy when they attend IHSA Rules Meetings. And it could not have been more than 3 years ago. I am out of town and do not have access to my old guidebooks to give an exact year. I will also say that what the NF said to do was not a hard line ruling. They gave a couple of ways to handle this and basically put the onus on the schools and game management to fix this problem. I neither agree nor disagree either way with the position of the NF. I just said how it was talked about through the NF and how they addressed this situation.

Ok, I went and found the book of which you speak.
http://secure.referee.com/index.cfm?...Product_ID=307

It is not immediately clear who is responsible for the content. Is it Referee, Inc., NASO, the NFHS, all of the above, or some of each. These groups are contracting with each other more everyday and now have joint ventures and publications. We've had that discussion before, so I don't wish to rehash it. Anyway as that is a minor point, I'm not going to quibble over it. I'm just confused as to why the NFHS would publish the Officials Manual and also partake in the writing of this Officials Guidebook.

Anyway what I would like to focus upon is that I would like to see exactly what was written in this book from whichever officiating source it comes on the issue of the flipped up net. I'm sure that it could be helpful.

Thanks for making me aware of this publication.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Personally, I believe that an immediate stoppage is the way to go as the basket does not meet the requirements of 1-10-1 with the net in that position. It is to be "suspended beneath the ring."

Seeing your in your usual "literal" mood, Nevada, after stopping play why don't you also give the shooter a technical foul for delaying the game by causing the net to hang up? That's what rule 10-3-6(a) says, and applying that rule makes just as much sense as trying to apply 1-10-1.

[Nevadaref]

I see that you took your funny pills today, JR. That's nice.