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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

I don't think an assigner is going to get to bent out of shape for this one.

Wrong. An assignor would take your azz off his availabilty list if you pulled crap like that. Assignors aren't real happy when their officials start to make up their own rules. That's because, unlike Rec leagues, assignors usually deal with coaches that understand rules that pertain to them. And when coaches get pissed off because some official who doesn't know the basic rules screws them, then they call the assignor and say real nasty things to him- like "WTF are you doing sending me that moron?". And the assignor is stuck for an answer because the coach has every damn right in the world to be mad. Noooooooo, assignors don't like to get phone calls like that. Soooooo, if they get more than 1 or 2 about a certain official, that official may return to the rec leagues from whence he came- never to be sighted again in meaningful games.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Wrong. An assignor would take your azz off his availabilty list if you pulled crap like that.

Crap like what? Crap like a player faked being foul and I sent him to the bench. As the official for the game. If I say give me a sub because I feel in my mind that the player is injured. I am within my rights as an official to declare a player unfit to play at anytime in the game. YOU GOT THAT JR, AT ANYTIME!!!! You can kiss my azz, cause guess what, he's going to the bench. If the coach and players says he's not injured because he faked the injury. Well in my mind, he's injured and must now leave the game. I'm not a doctor so I'm not going there. I'm not so stupid as to send someone to the bench for no reason. You are stupid to assume that I would.

Assignors aren't real happy when their officials start to make up their own rules. That's because, unlike Rec leagues, assignors usually deal with coaches that understand rules that pertain to them. And when coaches get pissed off because some official who doesn't know the basic rules screws them, then they call the assignor and say real nasty things to him- like "WTF are you doing sending me that moron?".

This is just plain dumb, you need to rethink this statement. Any official I send to the game is #1 qualified to be there, so I'm insulted by this statement as the assigner. #2, sh!t happens, no official is perfect. I'm sure worst things have happen to you in a game than a player being asked to sit out for one play. In fact, you know what! The official gave you a break. He could have enforced a technical here if the player was faking. We teach our officials to always side on the side of caution when it comes to injuries. If we're not sure, best to have them sit down. I think this is more or so, how the conversation will go, but then again, I'm also sure there are assigners that think like you. Just looking for a reason to throw an official under the bus.

Good job proving that point.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

YOU GOT THAT JR, AT ANYTIME!!!! You can kiss my azz, cause guess what, he's going to the bench. I'm not so stupid as to send someone to the bench for no reason. You are stupid to assume that I would.

This is just plain dumb, you need to rethink this statement. Any official I send to the game is #1 qualified to be there, so I'm insulted by this statement as the assigner. #2, sh!t happens, no official is perfect. I'm sure worst things have happen to you in a game than a player being asked to sit out for one play. In fact, you know what! The official gave you a break. He could have enforced a technical here if the player was faking. We teach our officials to always side on the side of caution when it comes to injuries. If we're not sure, best to have them sit down. I think this is more or so, how the conversation will go, but then again, I'm also sure there are assigners that think like you. Just looking for a reason to throw an official under the bus.

Good job proving that point.

Okay, look, OS, I can't defend you when you start going off. Whatever works for you in your league at your situation is great, but you gotta realize that most of us don't do things the way you're saying. If you'd just acknowledge that perhaps there's a bigger world out there than your league and your way of doing things, this whole conversation would be a lot better for everyone -- including you!

[Adam]

Juulie, you had a spelling error above. You misspelled "rec league" as "league." Just trying to be helpful.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Juulie, you had a spelling error above. You misspelled "rec league" as "league." Just trying to be helpful.

now, now...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

now, now...

Hey, it's your theory; and it's the most charitable one I've seen.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

now, now...

Why are you cutting this poster as much slack as you are? None is deserved.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Why are you cutting this poster as much slack as you are? None is deserved.

Well, I wasn't at first. In fact, at one point, I asked the mods to XXX her. But then she started to show signs of reasoning and discussing, and I wanted to encourage that. But I'm afraid it didn't last. Too bad. It was actually interesting and fun for a little while.

[Adam]

OS, if I purposefully set aside a rule because it makes me feel better, or it's easier, then I expect to find myself underneath that bus. I expect to be defended on judgment calls, but not on missing the rules. And, if I'm ever approached about a rule I've pooched, I'll cop to it and learn (done it). But good Lord, even if the player is injured, you give them a moment to gather themselves and continue to play. Happens all the time. Half the time the coach is sending a sub to the bench by the time you hit the whistle anyway, but there are lots of times when you blow your whistle for an injury that you should immediately put the ball back in play.

You have no rules basis for forcing the sub when the player and coach say the player is ready to play immediately. None whatsoever.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

OS, if I purposefully set aside a rule because it makes me feel better, or it's easier, then I expect to find myself underneath that bus. I expect to be defended on judgment calls, but not on missing the rules. And, if I'm ever approached about a rule I've pooched, I'll cop to it and learn (done it). But good Lord, even if the player is injured, you give them a moment to gather themselves and continue to play. Happens all the time. Half the time the coach is sending a sub to the bench by the time you hit the whistle anyway, but there are lots of times when you blow your whistle for an injury that you should immediately put the ball back in play.

You have no rules basis for forcing the sub when the player and coach say the player is ready to play immediately. None whatsoever.

Whatever...!!!!