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Old School · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 10:51am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Reference, please.

Oh geeze Bob, okay, I will look it up. give me a minute.

Off the top, I thought that if you stopped the clock for injury, the player must be replaced. I will research it.

mick · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 10:58am

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Originally Posted by Old School

Off the top, I thought that if you stopped the clock for injury, the player must be replaced. I will research it.

This is the exact reason that they print up those books.

At a game last night, a coach, who had recently been digging through the rule book, said to us, "They really have a bunch of rules in there, don't they?"

rainmaker · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 11:01am

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Originally Posted by mick

This is the exact reason that they print up those books.

At a game last night, a coach, who had recently been digging through the rule book, said to us, "They really have a bunch of rules in there, don't they?"

LOLOLOL!!!

btw, so you are working this year, mick? I started thinking you had gone off to have quadruple bypass surgery without telling anyone like another cretin we all know and love to hate...

Adam · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 11:04am

For someone in the sixth or seventh year of reading the rules book, who's been reffing for a long time (15 years or so), I really would expect you to know this rule. I've never seen a single ref get this one wrong, and I've never heard a single coach get it wrong, and I've never heard a single fan get it wrong. It's basic.

rainmaker · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 11:10am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

For someone in the sixth or seventh year of reading the rules book, who's been reffing for a long time (15 years or so), I really would expect you to know this rule. I've never seen a single ref get this one wrong, and I've never heard a single coach get it wrong, and I've never heard a single fan get it wrong. It's basic.

Yup, getting close to irascible. ALthough I think you need a few more lessons.

tomegun · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 11:00am

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Originally Posted by Old School

Oh geeze Bob, okay, I will look it up. give me a minute.

Off the top, I thought that if you stopped the clock for injury, the player must be replaced. I will research it.

What pro, college and high school leagues do you work? I mean specific state and league names? I know you probably won't tell us but come on! With enough experience to do pro or college leagues you have to have come across a situation where a player was hurt, but the coach didn't come out and the player stayed in the game.

This is why you have no respect and are basically a laughing stock. This is simple and you are really going to look it up. Amazing!

rainmaker · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 11:02am

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Originally Posted by tomegun

What pro, college and high school leagues do you work? I mean specific state and league names? I know you probably won't tell us but come on! With enough experience to do pro or college leagues you have to have come across a situation where a player was hurt, but the coach didn't come out and the player stayed in the game.

This is why you have no respect and are basically a laughing stock. This is simple and you are really going to look it up. Amazing!

Hey, cmon, tom, she's starting to back down and act like a real ref. Give her some space!

Old School · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 11:46am

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Originally Posted by tomegun

This is why you have no respect and are basically a laughing stock. This is simple and you are really going to look it up. Amazing!

No, I'm going to look it up because Bob asked me too, and btw, off the top, I was very close. NFHS Rule 3.3.5 says if I beckon the coach, and/or the coach comes on to the floor. I'm not going to beat myself up on this one. Since the player could be faking, guess what, he's coming out in my games or the coach can buy a timeout to keep in. If the player is really injured, then everything will take it's normal course. However, if the player is faking and I stop the clock thinking he/she is really hurt. Price you pay for trying to trick the referee. Either call a timeout which is what I just did for you, or player takes a seat and can come back on the next dead whistle. Lesson, don't try to trick the referee if you're not really hurt.

Do whatever you want or what makes since to you. I know what I'm going to do.

I had one situation where a player was hit in the groin and down he went. The play went all the way down to the other end and the injured player remained on the floor. They passed the ball around and finally scored and then I blasted the whistle to kill the play. I beckon for the coach and he would not come out. The player still laying there on the court. Now I know why the coach wouldn't come out. However, this player laid on the ground for a very long time, and I'm sorry, coach or no coach, he's coming out the game. You could be sued for negligence for allowing a player to continue to play in a situation like this. Again, I'm not going there. I'm not going to be the doctor to say he is or isn't. If I send him to the bench and the coach sends him back in, that's on the coach.

Give me a sub coach!
Peace

tomegun · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by Old School

Either call a timeout which is what I just did for you, or player takes a seat and can come back on the next dead whistle. Lesson, don't try to trick the referee if you're not really hurt.

Do whatever you want or what makes since to you. I know what I'm going to do.

Peace

How many timeouts do we have per game? NONE, so I'm not calling a timeout!

You also didn't answer my questions, which doesn't surprise me. If you have been officiating long enough to do pro and college basketball you should know the rule and the procedure for protecting a player that is injured. The exact rule reference shouldn't matter since your statement was dead wrong! Just because a player is possibly injured, and the clock is stopped, does not mean the player must come out of the game. You said otherwise.

Old School · #10 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 12:10pm

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Originally Posted by tomegun

Just because a player is possibly injured, and the clock is stopped, does not mean the player must come out of the game.

True, I'm just telling you what I would do in the case where I thought the player was faking.

armymanjones · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 12:15pm

I agree with OS and if the coach is beckoned the player is to ber eplaced regardless if he comes out or not.

tomegun · #12 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 12:18pm

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Originally Posted by armymanjones

I agree with OS and if the coach is beckoned the player is to bereplaced regardless if he comes out or not.

The only time I can think of a coach not coming on the floor after he/she was beckoned would be if the player was getting up and was OK to continue. I would probably let the player stay if they seemed OK. Are you saying that when you beckon the coach it is a done deal regardless? Also, did anyone say they had beckoned the coach and the coach didn't come on the floor or are you throwing that in now? I don't want to go back and look at all the posts.

tomegun · #13 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 04, 2007, 12:15pm

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Originally Posted by Old School

True, I'm just telling you what I would do in the case where I thought the player was faking.

Can you answer my questions?

Tell me where you work, what leagues and what levels. Please don't give me to a link where you gave a vague answer to this. You are really suspect (IMO) right now and some straight forward answers could help your credibility. Unless you have something to hide.