Eyepoke

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

All contact is not a foul. You can be poked in the eye and the opponent did nothing. I have seen players get hit in the face because they put their face where it does not belong and they get poked in they eye. You cannot call a foul that you do not see. Basketball is a contact sport and sometimes people get poked in the eye. Next thing we are going to suggest is someone gets hit in the face with the basketball we must call something there too.

Peace

JRut, you're kinda going off in left-field on this one. We're talking about a play where B1 swipes at the ball and the resulting reaction makes it obvious that A1 was poked in the eye.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

JRut, you're kinda going off in left-field on this one. We're talking about a play where B1 swipes at the ball and the resulting reaction makes it obvious that A1 was poked in the eye.

So a swipe means there is contact? I think I have a right to take my position considering the OP made it clear you did not see the contact. You cannot call something you assume just because the player reacts. I would only call a foul when I see something, not just what I "think" I see. It is a free country. You can call what you want. Many times players fake things to get a call and the example that was made about a baseball game are a perfect example.

Peace

[Adam]

Jeff, let me ask you. You ever actually seen the finger contact the eye on this? I think it's almost impossible to catch with the human eye in regular speed. If I don't see the swipe, or if I don't see the hand near the face, I'm not going to call it. But if I see the hand swipe near the face and the ball handler reacts, I'm likely to have a foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Jeff, let me ask you. You ever actually seen the finger contact the eye on this? I think it's almost impossible to catch with the human eye in regular speed. If I don't see the swipe, or if I don't see the hand near the face, I'm not going to call it. But if I see the hand swipe near the face and the ball handler reacts, I'm likely to have a foul.

Yes I have been poked in the eye or near the eye before. And yes I have called someone being poked in the eye when I have seen it. Now what is your point? The issue is whether we call something that we see. If we do not see something, we should not be in the habit of just calling something because it looks bad or because a player falls. If a player falls to the floor do you make a call because a player was around them? What about if a player is hit in the groin area? Do you just call something because you think something happen? If I missed something like this, it will not be the first time and it definitely will not be the last. I know I am not going to call something just because as many have suggest. Once again, this is why we get paid the big bucks to make the tough decisions.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And yes I have called someone being poked in the eye when I have seen it. Now what is your point?

My point is that the finger flying through the air and giving a quick poke to the eye is such small and fast moving thing that I don't know that I'm actually capable of seeing it. I see the swipe, I see the hand near the face, and I see the instinctive reaction of the poked player. I call the foul. If I wait until I actually see the finger in the eye for the split second it's in there, I'm never going to be able to make this call, and JohnnyrRingo's friends are going to teach their kids to start poking eyes while guarding the ballhandler.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So a swipe means there is contact? I think I have a right to take my position considering the OP made it clear you did not see the contact. You cannot call something you assume just because the player reacts. I would only call a foul when I see something, not just what I "think" I see. It is a free country. You can call what you want. Many times players fake things to get a call and the example that was made about a baseball game are a perfect example.

Peace

We're not talking about baseball or freedom in America, we're talking about a basketball play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

We're not talking about baseball or freedom in America, we're talking about a basketball play.

Are you going to answer the question?

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Are you going to answer the question?

Peace

I missed the question amidst all the rhetoric. Could you please repeat it for me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I missed the question amidst all the rhetoric. Could you please repeat it for me.

Why not look back at the post and find out. The fact that you did not answer the question when you posted a response tells me everything I need to know anyway. You cannot justify your position logically. Go ahead and call something that did not happen if you like or what you think happen. I will not do that no matter how many times you post it on the internet.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why not look back at the post and find out. The fact that you did not answer the question when you posted a response tells me everything I need to know anyway. You cannot justify your position logically. Go ahead and call something that did not happen if you like or what you think happen. I will not do that no matter how many times you post it on the internet.

Peace

Nevermind, I found it (I think).

So a swipe means there is contact?

I fail to see what this has to do with the topic at hand. I know I never made any references to "all swipes". I made reference to a particular scenario.

Since this is America and we are all free, I could exercise my right not to answer your question. Or I could be a smart-a$$ and say it's a regional thing so I can only answer for how we do things in Virginia.

BTW, how many times did I post it on the Internet? My count has it at 1.