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[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

At a camp I went to, a very high level D1 official told us, "In the last 4 minutes of the game, any 'meltdown' is a foul. Automatic. No kid is going to fake getting hit in the face in the last 4 minutes of a close game." His definition of a meltdown was a kid just stopping playing to hold a piece of his anatomy. Any time a kid just stops playing and grabs his eye, nose, groin, etc, it's because he was fouled. Call it.

What Art McDonald actually said Scrappy-doo-doo is to call the meltdown at any point in the game, not just at the end.

He will be missed.

[deecee]

in that instance on the rebound it could be a no call -- incedental -- when the dribbler has the ball and defender swipes to steal and missess and pokes big difference.

[JRutledge]

All contact is not a foul. You can be poked in the eye and the opponent did nothing. I have seen players get hit in the face because they put their face where it does not belong and they get poked in they eye. You cannot call a foul that you do not see. Basketball is a contact sport and sometimes people get poked in the eye. Next thing we are going to suggest is someone gets hit in the face with the basketball we must call something there too.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

All contact is not a foul. You can be poked in the eye and the opponent did nothing. I have seen players get hit in the face because they put their face where it does not belong and they get poked in they eye. You cannot call a foul that you do not see. Basketball is a contact sport and sometimes people get poked in the eye. Next thing we are going to suggest is someone gets hit in the face with the basketball we must call something there too.

Peace

JRut, you're kinda going off in left-field on this one. We're talking about a play where B1 swipes at the ball and the resulting reaction makes it obvious that A1 was poked in the eye.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

JRut, you're kinda going off in left-field on this one. We're talking about a play where B1 swipes at the ball and the resulting reaction makes it obvious that A1 was poked in the eye.

So a swipe means there is contact? I think I have a right to take my position considering the OP made it clear you did not see the contact. You cannot call something you assume just because the player reacts. I would only call a foul when I see something, not just what I "think" I see. It is a free country. You can call what you want. Many times players fake things to get a call and the example that was made about a baseball game are a perfect example.

Peace

[Adam]

Jeff, let me ask you. You ever actually seen the finger contact the eye on this? I think it's almost impossible to catch with the human eye in regular speed. If I don't see the swipe, or if I don't see the hand near the face, I'm not going to call it. But if I see the hand swipe near the face and the ball handler reacts, I'm likely to have a foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Jeff, let me ask you. You ever actually seen the finger contact the eye on this? I think it's almost impossible to catch with the human eye in regular speed. If I don't see the swipe, or if I don't see the hand near the face, I'm not going to call it. But if I see the hand swipe near the face and the ball handler reacts, I'm likely to have a foul.

Yes I have been poked in the eye or near the eye before. And yes I have called someone being poked in the eye when I have seen it. Now what is your point? The issue is whether we call something that we see. If we do not see something, we should not be in the habit of just calling something because it looks bad or because a player falls. If a player falls to the floor do you make a call because a player was around them? What about if a player is hit in the groin area? Do you just call something because you think something happen? If I missed something like this, it will not be the first time and it definitely will not be the last. I know I am not going to call something just because as many have suggest. Once again, this is why we get paid the big bucks to make the tough decisions.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So a swipe means there is contact? I think I have a right to take my position considering the OP made it clear you did not see the contact. You cannot call something you assume just because the player reacts. I would only call a foul when I see something, not just what I "think" I see. It is a free country. You can call what you want. Many times players fake things to get a call and the example that was made about a baseball game are a perfect example.

Peace

We're not talking about baseball or freedom in America, we're talking about a basketball play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

We're not talking about baseball or freedom in America, we're talking about a basketball play.

Are you going to answer the question?

Peace