First to touch on shot?

[Johnny Ringo]

A1 attempts a try on a fast break. The ball hits high on the glass. A1's momentum carrys her OOB and she quickly comes back in bounds and is the first to touch the ball. Both feet were back inbounds when she touched. Legal or not?

[Mregor]

Legal.

Mregor

[JRutledge]

This is not the football and it especially is not the NFL.

Peace

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

A1 attempts a try on a fast break. The ball hits high on the glass. A1's momentum carrys her OOB and she quickly comes back in bounds and is the first to touch the ball. Both feet were back inbounds when she touched. Legal or not?

Perfectly legal. There is no rule in basketball about being the first to touch a ball when you come in bounds, at least NFHS. One foot is enough to establish an on-court position. The only way it's a violation is if she jumps from OOB and touches the ball before establishing a position inbounds. It's not like the NFL.

[Johnny Ringo]

Another example and this happened in a varsity girls game and was discussed after the game with the crew and later I phoned a Div. I official.

A1 recieves the inbound pass from A2 after a made basket by Team B. A1 begins to dribble and trips over her own feet and stumbles out of bounds. The ball remains inbounds. There is no pressure from the defense (all five players are on the other end of the court). A2 is running from backcourt and doe snot see this. There is no one else even close to the play. A1 collects herself returns from OOB to inbounds where she continues the dribble.

Legal?

Same principle as the other example.

This play was allowed originally, but after all officials were in agreement that it should have been called a violation.

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Another example and this happened in a varsity girls game and was discussed after the game with the crew and later I phoned a Div. I official.

A1 recieves the inbound pass from A2 after a made basket by Team B. A1 begins to dribble and trips over her own feet and stumbles out of bounds. The ball remains inbounds. There is no pressure from the defense (all five players are on the other end of the court). A2 is running from backcourt and doe snot see this. There is no one else even close to the play. A1 collects herself returns from OOB to inbounds where she continues the dribble.

Legal?

Same principle as the other example.

This play was allowed originally, but after all officials were in agreement that it should have been called a violation.

Cite me a rule. It's not a violation, it was called correctly. A player has the same position from wherever his/her feet last touched.

[Adam]

Looks to me like she lost control, thus an interrupted dribble. Perfectly legal. The only way you could rule the ball OOB when not touching a player who has OOB status is if you deem the player in continuous control of the dribble. An interrupted dribble does not meet this requirement.

[Johnny Ringo]

I can't exactly recall the why they said this. Something to do with A1 can't be the first to touch the ball once they went OOB. I thought this was wrong but after five officals said this is a violation and kept quiet until i saw the play tonight with the shot and the player going OOB and then returning inbounds to touch or get the rebound and nobody touching it since A1.

Now, another example.

A1 is dribbling near the sideline where they accidently run into A2 the ball continues to bounce inbounds while A1 goes OOB with both feet. A1 then returns inbounds with one or two feet and continues dribble or picks up the ball. A1 was the only player to touch ball during this sequence. I assume this is a legal play?

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Another example and this happened in a varsity girls game and was discussed after the game with the crew and later I phoned a Div. I official.

A1 recieves the inbound pass from A2 after a made basket by Team B. A1 begins to dribble and trips over her own feet and stumbles out of bounds. The ball remains inbounds. There is no pressure from the defense (all five players are on the other end of the court). A2 is running from backcourt and doe snot see this. There is no one else even close to the play. A1 collects herself returns from OOB to inbounds where she continues the dribble.

Legal?

Same principle as the other example.

This play was allowed originally, but after all officials were in agreement that it should have been called a violation.

Why did ALL think it was a violation? What was the ruling?

[missinglink]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Another example and this happened in a varsity girls game and was discussed after the game with the crew and later I phoned a Div. I official.

A1 recieves the inbound pass from A2 after a made basket by Team B. A1 begins to dribble and trips over her own feet and stumbles out of bounds. The ball remains inbounds. There is no pressure from the defense (all five players are on the other end of the court). A2 is running from backcourt and doe snot see this. There is no one else even close to the play. A1 collects herself returns from OOB to inbounds where she continues the dribble.

Legal?

Same principle as the other example.

This play was allowed originally, but after all officials were in agreement that it should have been called a violation.

A2 is running from backcourt and "doe snot".....
Well, it is no wonder why she slipped, that stuff is really slippery!!!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by missinglink

A2 is running from backcourt and "doe snot".....
Well, it is no wonder why she slipped, that stuff is really slippery!!!

Even Ms. Annoying Typo Gal let that one go -- just too easy!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by missinglink

A2 is running from backcourt and "doe snot".....
Well, it is no wonder why she slipped, that stuff is really slippery!!!

I was at the zoo last week looking at the deer and one of them sneezed. Yeah - I got doe snot all over me.

Could have been worse. Could have been buck shot, er, I mean buck snot.

Actually, I went past the howler monkey cage and saw quite a few coaches in there.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Another example and this happened in a varsity girls game and was discussed after the game with the crew and later I phoned a Div. I official.

Please note that there is a rule regarding this in the NCAA. There was much confusion about its meaning when it was first put in about three seasons ago. I have even attended NCAA rules clinics in which it was taught incorrectly.

Here is the text of the NCAA rule:
RULE 9, Section 4. Player Out of Bounds

Art. 1.

A player who steps out of bounds under his/her own volition and then

becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court
has committed a violation.
a. A violation has not been committed when a player, who steps out of
bounds as permitted by Rule 7-5.8.a, does not receive the pass along
the endline by a teammate and is the first to touch the ball after his
or her return to the playing court.

A.R. 181.

Team A sets a double screen for A1, who, in attempting to come across the free-throw lane, is legally obstructed by offensive and defensive players so that A1 leaves the playing court under the basket, circles around, returns to the playing court and then is the first to receive the ball. RULING: A violation has been committed by A1 for leaving the playing court and then becoming the first player to touch the ball upon return.

However, the NCAA also has this ruling that is basically the same as the NFHS rule:

A.R. 143.

A1 blocks a pass near the end line. The ball falls to the floor inbounds but A1, who is off balance, falls outside the end line. A1 returns, secures control of the ball, and dribbles. RULING: Legal. A1 has not left the playing court voluntarily and was not in control of the ball when leaving the playing court. This situation is similar to one in which A1 makes a try from under the basket and momentum carries A1 off the playing court. The try is unsuccessful, and A1 comes onto the playing court and regains control of the ball.

Therefore, when you are speaking to an NCAA official, know that there is in fact such a rule, but that it must be understood correctly. In short, the NCAA rule is not intended to penalize players for going OOB as part of making a play (saving a ball or following a shot) or when they lose their balance and fall.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

A1 attempts a try on a fast break. The ball hits high on the glass. A1's momentum carrys her OOB and she quickly comes back in bounds and is the first to touch the ball. Both feet were back inbounds when she touched. Legal or not?

Fwiw, case book play 7.1.1SitB is the exact same play.

[SmokeEater]

Just in case anyone references NCAA, This could be a violation. Provided the player goes out of bounds under his/her own volition and is then the first to touch the ball. My rules interpreter says to look for deception as well.