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M&M Guy Wed Dec 20, 2006 04:26pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
A-freaking-men!

I notice you've been doing a lot of praying today.

I'm not sure it'll get you out of goin' to he!!, though.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 20, 2006 04:38pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
I notice you've been doing a lot of praying today.

I'm not sure it'll get you out of goin' to he!!, though.

Something just struck me......

I'm not being very PC today, am I?

How about.....<i><b>A-freaking-women!</b></i>

How does the Bible get away with such blatant gender discrimination anyway? Does the Pope know about this? More importantly, does Rainmaker know about this?

Hey, I'm going to hell anyway......might as well have a l'il fun on the way.:D

Back In The Saddle Wed Dec 20, 2006 04:47pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Hey, I'm going to hell anyway......might as well have a l'il fun on the way.:D

You'll finally get to meet many of us from the board :cool:

M&M Guy Wed Dec 20, 2006 04:52pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Something just struck me......

Yea, I think I saw Rainmaker throw it.

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Hey, I'm going to hell anyway......might as well have a l'il fun on the way.:D

That's a very handsome handbasket you're in. It matches your hair color.

I wonder what color handbasket Dan_ref would have? <font size =-2>(Wonder where he's been recently?...)</font size>

blindzebra Wed Dec 20, 2006 05:01pm

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Originally Posted by IREFU2
I disagree with you there. I dont look to give out Technical Fouls, the coach will have to earn them. We all have different tolerance levels and he hit mine. The game was great and I just ignored him until it started affecting the game as well as my concentration. I am in the correct profession and dont want to be label as an erragent tech happy official.

Well I'd say making it sound like giving a T is beneath you, and anyone who gives one out sooner than you would, is tech happy, pretty much screams erragence...maybe arrogance even.;)

Your level of tolerance...AKA lack of backbone...becomes every other official in your areas problem. Because I may have that coach the next night and you just forced me to take care of the business you didn't have the sack to handle the night before.

Techs are part of the game, they are earned, and when someone clearly crosses the line and you do nothing, all you did was move the line...and that doesn't make the game better.

IREFU2 Thu Dec 21, 2006 08:53am

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Originally Posted by blindzebra
Well I'd say making it sound like giving a T is beneath you, and anyone who gives one out sooner than you would, is tech happy, pretty much screams erragence...maybe arrogance even.;)

Your level of tolerance...AKA lack of backbone...becomes every other official in your areas problem. Because I may have that coach the next night and you just forced me to take care of the business you didn't have the sack to handle the night before.

Techs are part of the game, they are earned, and when someone clearly crosses the line and you do nothing, all you did was move the line...and that doesn't make the game better.

T's are not beneath me at all. I just have a high tolerance...and I make sure that the coach has earned it so there is no question at all.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 21, 2006 09:58am

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Originally Posted by IREFU2
T's are not beneath me at all. I just have a high tolerance...and I make sure that the coach has earned it so there is no question at all.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with those who have questioned your "tolerance" level. It seems that you have no idea when a coach has earned a T.

blindzebra Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:00am

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Originally Posted by IREFU2
T's are not beneath me at all. I just have a high tolerance...and I make sure that the coach has earned it so there is no question at all.


Way to pay attention to the set up for a little joke instead of the important part of that post.

That tolerance level you speak of becomes the problem of every other official in your area.

If I'm working with you, and you don't take care of business in the first quarter, I now have a game headed toward the toilet. I either follow the get in, get done moto, or I am forced to handle your business for you and in either case my night just got longer.

If I'm working that coaches game the next time out, their level for what they think they can get away with is far higher than it should be, so my night just got tougher because YOU did not set the proper boundaries of behavior the night before.

Having a quick trigger, "rabbit ears", causes problems.

Being a spineless pushover is equally bad.

Care to guess where that "high tolerance" level of yours fits on that spectrum?

BillyMac Thu Dec 21, 2006 08:33pm

Tri-City Guidelines For T-Foul
 
Edited From Tri-City (Washington State) OfficialsAssociation:

Technical Fouls

Top Reasons To Not Give A Technical Foul
1) You can address a coach before it becomes a problem. A quiet word can go a long way in preventing a technical foul.
2) When coaches complain ask yourself, is the call questionable, is the call wrong. If they have a legitimate gripe then allow them some latitude.
3) If you know a coach is upset then move out onto the floor when in front of their bench.
4) Warnings can be very effective in preventing situations from escalating. Don't tolerate a lot before a warning.
5) Lend and ear. Coaches like to be heard. If you ignore them then they become more frustrated and are more likely to lose control.
6) If an assistant is out of line, then you can speak to the head coach and ask them to help you out.
7) If a player is out of line then let the coach know. Tell them you've warned their player. That way if you do give a technical foul, then the coach isn't surprised. Most good coaches will speak to the player first.
8) If you have had a rough day and know your fuse is short, keep that in mind before you do anything rash. Ask yourself, does the situation come under one of the top ten reasons to give a technical foul.

Top Reasons To Give A Technical Foul
Knowing when the right time to call a technical foul is half the battle. There are many different factors to consider, when deciding to give a technical foul. Generally, there are three areas of coach's behavior that need attention: when a coach makes it personal, when a coach draws attention to himself or herself, and when a coach's complaints are persistent.

Some technical fouls are easy. They are black and white situations that leave little room for negotiations:
1) Using profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar, or obscene.
2) If a coach questions your integrity.
3) Inciting an undesirable crowd reaction.
4) If you are being embarrassed.
5) If coach or player has been warned and has not heeded the warning.
6) Leaving the confines of the coaching box and complaining.
7) A coach demonstrates displeasure with your partner and their back is turned.

Other technical fouls are not as black and white. In some situations a warning may be appropriate before the technical foul is given:
8) A coach or player continually demonstrates signals or asks for calls.
9) If they have interfered with the game or your concentration then they have usually gone too far.
10) If giving a technical will help give structure back to the game and if it will have a calming effect on things.

Top Ways To Give A Technical Foul
1) Calling a technical foul should be no different then calling any other violation. Maintain a pleasant attitude,have poise and presence. Don't embarrass the coach by being demonstrative.
2) Explain technical fouls on players to coaches.
4) Never look at a coach when you give a technical foul.
3) Call the technical foul. Report it to the table and leave the area. Find your partner.
4) Explanations, it needed should be done by partner.
5) After technical fouls, get the ball in play immediately.
6) Make them earn the second technical foul. Don't be reluctant to give the second trechnical foul if it is warranted.

Texas Aggie Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:30pm

I'm now convinced that the proper way to deal with constant ranting, especially about the same play after several times up and down the floor, is to get the T early out. I can deal with a coach who's constantly complaining AS LONG AS he moves along with his comments, i.e. doesn't keep talking about the same thing. You may ask, what's the difference? A reasonable question and I'll admit there is a fine line there but with experience, you can tell if a coach is going to be a constant talker -- i.e. noisy but relatively harmless -- or a jerk that needs to be shut down ASAP. You have the control of his players to worry about most. If they are under control (his or yours), we can allow some more chatting, but if they are complaining themselves, playing a bit rough, etc., you have to nip it fast.

I have a very quick T for demonstrative actions. A coach tossed a clipboard in front of me the other night and bought a very fast T. But complaints have never really bothered me too much.


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