Had to do it!!!!
 

He should have been whacked a lot sooner!

I can't believe you have so much tolerance for that. 1st time maybe he would get a stop sign, second time he would know to stop "whack" and there would be no third time.

I'll let 'em rant a bit. I'll let 'em rave a bit. But if they want to do both on every call, I'm addressing it by about the third call of the game. And most definitely when he gets personal: "You are the worst official I have seen in years!" That's what my man garote would call illegal use of a personal pronoun. He should have been whacked on the spot for that.

The first personal comment is an automatic WHACK!!! there is no question about that - wheather he is lying or not :eek: !!:D

:rolleyes:

This is a prime example of not needing a robotic stop sign.

I might join most of the choir here with one exception. The coach was obviously trying to get some response and it may have taken just a bit too long.
Almost every co-official will first blurt out "communication" in pre-game as if that's the one word remedy for having a good game. It is certainly important on the floor between co's, but I've found that the word actually applies to dealing with coaches as well.

This year, I've called just one T and for the most part, I think it's due more to a change over the past few years in my attitude and positioning than anything. After reporting calls and going tableside, I've started positioning myself right next to the coach so that any conversations are at least civil in volume if not tone. I've also started enjoying the give-and-take dialog that goes on.

I enjoy basketball--played, coached or called it most of my life and assume the coach is a reasonable person (true for the most part). We talk about the game and players first. I've found that if/when they question a call, my response is somewhat along the lines of "I hear you coach but here's why that call was made". That generally satisfies them.

I don't argue. If the coach is mis-quoting a rule, I simply say, "No, the rule is legal guarding position," or "the advantage was created when he was pushed from behind -- that's illegal coach”.

If a coach starts to get out of hand, my responses tend to become shorter and a bit more prefunctional. "Coach, we're watching that", or "we'll stay on top of that".

In fact, I can only remember one time this year I've had to get to the
"Coach, I've heard enough" phrase. And in that case, the somewhat newbie coach still acted like an idiot and missed the stop sign. That was my only T and I don't think anyone in the gym was surprised or dissapointed with the technical at that point.

Just my thoughts.

Really? Sounds to me like he was ranting and raving on you! :)

A-freaking-men!

I have a high tolerance....

Ranting and raving on <b>every</b> call? Complaining about <b>everything</b>? <b>Shouted</b> that it was a <b>terrible call</b>? Telling you that was <b>the worse call he'd ever seen</b>? Telling you that you are the <b>worse official that he's ever seen</b>?

And you let <b>ALL</b> of that go?

You're in the wrong racket. You should be a minister or a Pope or sumthin'. You're too nice a guy to be an official.

For abuse, I guess. There's tolerance, and there's not taking care of business. Only you know where that line is. I think assignors like guys who take care of business before it gets to the point you describe. Just my own opinion.

I like the philosophy of the 3 P's: personal, prolonged, or profane. Any of these, you go get 'em.

Sounds as if you waited until "personal" (though you even skipped one there), and could have T'd him up on "prolonged" before it got to that point.

If a coach wants to complain about a call, fine. Do it, get it out of your system and let it go. If I go up and back down the court again, and they are still complaining about the SAME call . . . "Coach, that's enough." Up and back down the floor again, and they are STILL complaining about the same call . . . TWEET! "Technical Foul!"

IF a coach EVER makes a comment personal (e.g., "you suck"), or they question my integrity, BAM! They will get the Technical Foul. No questions asked.

My opinion, you let this one get WAY TOO FAR! He should have gotten it MUCH sooner.

I disagree with you there. I dont look to give out Technical Fouls, the coach will have to earn them. We all have different tolerance levels and he hit mine. The game was great and I just ignored him until it started affecting the game as well as my concentration. I am in the correct profession and dont want to be label as an erragent tech happy official.

Just don't mistake tolerance for being SOFT!

Get it when it needs Gotten....

its not about tolerance -- its more about coaches knowing the proper way to talk to talk to officials and proper procedure to display their displeasure.

I have a rule that if a coach wants to complain fine (as long as hes just venting in a non line crossing way) -- but by the time I make it back up the court the next time he better have moved on or I will help him.

Besides you are really setting the bar low for future refs who might not be as tolerant as you and you let him rant about ONE call for 3 trips up the court by the time you got him. I am sorry but you are just making it much more difficult for future refs who get this guy.

I gave a coach a T last week pretty much because he had something to say every time a whistle blew against his team -- I let him know that venting is fine but he needs to be a bit more selective and less demonstrative -- did he get the hint? I had a call from lead on a baseline turnaround where the help defender (coming from high side) reached in and grabbed the off hand of the shooter -- coach -- "Horrible" with the throwing the arms at me action -- ummm yeah ok T -- so 4 shots later and the ball now it goes from about a tie game to a 5 point game.

And this years award for the most ironic misspelling goes to... :cool:

Thanks, we all misspell words from time to time.

I think a big issue that needs to be addressed is what constitutes an unsporting act. One of the assignors I work for is really getting after officials that allow coaches too much leash on the sidelines. He makes a great point that if you don't take care of sportsmanship when it needs to be you are doing the rest of the officials on staff a disservice. You are inadvertantly sending a message to the coach that their behavior is perfectly fine. Obviously this is an area where consistency is difficult, but I think within conferences and leagues we really need to be on the same page as officials.

Yep. Eye due two. ;)

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noch it off ewe too.

Nobody likes to give out technical fouls but this coach crossed the line very early in your game and you failed to address it at all. Possibly if you would have communicated with him or given him a stop sign early he would have stopped and maybe not. Sometimes no matter how good we communicate a coach is going to get whacked. Technical fouls are part of the game and we need to use them we a coach has earned one, and it sounds like he earned about a dozen in your game.

Sorry.

Saw the name of the thread and...

Anyway, way back I used to be too slow in calling T's. I've gotten better, and for the most part, my games have gotten better as well, from a game-managment standpoint. I used to think letting some things slide ("Oh, let the coach have his say", "I'll just ignore him", etc.) was good game management. I've figured out calling the T is usually better game management. If I walk away from a game asking myself if I should've called the T, or should've called it earlier, than I probably should have. I can only thing of one or two times in my whole career where I walked away asking if I should not have given the T. That's usually a good indication that I haven't called enough.

In the OP, I would've told the coach he said enough long before IREFU2 took care of it. I call those ABS T's. (Accumulated B***S***).

Stop sign :rolleyes:

When you say nobody likes to give out technicals, are you saying officials dislike it? How about those of us that could care less because it is a part of the game? It is very simple, someone does something to earn a technical, they get a technical. If someone doesn't do anything to earn a technical, they will not get a technical. It isn't about like or dislike, it is about officiating a game I love the proper way!

Often times coaches actually try to get a T. It is the same as in baseball when a manager comes out to argue a call when he knows the umpire is right or he wants to get ejected. It can fire up his team. The coach can lose respect for you if you don't whack him when he needs to be whacked.

just adding background to OP's situation
 

IREFU2 is a good buddy of mine and I immediately called him at work when I read his post. I agree that he took too long to serve this 'T'.

What is ironic is after discussing the situation, the coach involved, and the coaches actions the rest of the game (he didn't say another word after the 'T'), IREFU2 and I surmised that this was a situation of a coach purposely fishing for a 'T'. His team was underachieving against an inferior team and he was looking for some sort of spark to get his team motivated.

Yup! A technical is nothing special, it's just another kind of foul.

A-freaking-men!

I notice you've been doing a lot of praying today.

I'm not sure it'll get you out of goin' to he!!, though.

Something just struck me......

I'm not being very PC today, am I?

How about.....<i><b>A-freaking-women!</b></i>

How does the Bible get away with such blatant gender discrimination anyway? Does the Pope know about this? More importantly, does Rainmaker know about this?

Hey, I'm going to hell anyway......might as well have a l'il fun on the way.:D

You'll finally get to meet many of us from the board :cool:

Yea, I think I saw Rainmaker throw it.

That's a very handsome handbasket you're in. It matches your hair color.

I wonder what color handbasket Dan_ref would have? <font size =-2>(Wonder where he's been recently?...)</font size>

Well I'd say making it sound like giving a T is beneath you, and anyone who gives one out sooner than you would, is tech happy, pretty much screams erragence...maybe arrogance even.;)

Your level of tolerance...AKA lack of backbone...becomes every other official in your areas problem. Because I may have that coach the next night and you just forced me to take care of the business you didn't have the sack to handle the night before.

Techs are part of the game, they are earned, and when someone clearly crosses the line and you do nothing, all you did was move the line...and that doesn't make the game better.

T's are not beneath me at all. I just have a high tolerance...and I make sure that the coach has earned it so there is no question at all.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with those who have questioned your "tolerance" level. It seems that you have no idea when a coach has earned a T.

Way to pay attention to the set up for a little joke instead of the important part of that post.

That tolerance level you speak of becomes the problem of every other official in your area.

If I'm working with you, and you don't take care of business in the first quarter, I now have a game headed toward the toilet. I either follow the get in, get done moto, or I am forced to handle your business for you and in either case my night just got longer.

If I'm working that coaches game the next time out, their level for what they think they can get away with is far higher than it should be, so my night just got tougher because YOU did not set the proper boundaries of behavior the night before.

Having a quick trigger, "rabbit ears", causes problems.

Being a spineless pushover is equally bad.

Care to guess where that "high tolerance" level of yours fits on that spectrum?

Tri-City Guidelines For T-Foul
 

Edited From Tri-City (Washington State) OfficialsAssociation:

Technical Fouls

Top Reasons To Not Give A Technical Foul
1) You can address a coach before it becomes a problem. A quiet word can go a long way in preventing a technical foul.
2) When coaches complain ask yourself, is the call questionable, is the call wrong. If they have a legitimate gripe then allow them some latitude.
3) If you know a coach is upset then move out onto the floor when in front of their bench.
4) Warnings can be very effective in preventing situations from escalating. Don't tolerate a lot before a warning.
5) Lend and ear. Coaches like to be heard. If you ignore them then they become more frustrated and are more likely to lose control.
6) If an assistant is out of line, then you can speak to the head coach and ask them to help you out.
7) If a player is out of line then let the coach know. Tell them you've warned their player. That way if you do give a technical foul, then the coach isn't surprised. Most good coaches will speak to the player first.
8) If you have had a rough day and know your fuse is short, keep that in mind before you do anything rash. Ask yourself, does the situation come under one of the top ten reasons to give a technical foul.

Top Reasons To Give A Technical Foul
Knowing when the right time to call a technical foul is half the battle. There are many different factors to consider, when deciding to give a technical foul. Generally, there are three areas of coach's behavior that need attention: when a coach makes it personal, when a coach draws attention to himself or herself, and when a coach's complaints are persistent.

Some technical fouls are easy. They are black and white situations that leave little room for negotiations:
1) Using profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar, or obscene.
2) If a coach questions your integrity.
3) Inciting an undesirable crowd reaction.
4) If you are being embarrassed.
5) If coach or player has been warned and has not heeded the warning.
6) Leaving the confines of the coaching box and complaining.
7) A coach demonstrates displeasure with your partner and their back is turned.

Other technical fouls are not as black and white. In some situations a warning may be appropriate before the technical foul is given:
8) A coach or player continually demonstrates signals or asks for calls.
9) If they have interfered with the game or your concentration then they have usually gone too far.
10) If giving a technical will help give structure back to the game and if it will have a calming effect on things.

Top Ways To Give A Technical Foul
1) Calling a technical foul should be no different then calling any other violation. Maintain a pleasant attitude,have poise and presence. Don't embarrass the coach by being demonstrative.
2) Explain technical fouls on players to coaches.
4) Never look at a coach when you give a technical foul.
3) Call the technical foul. Report it to the table and leave the area. Find your partner.
4) Explanations, it needed should be done by partner.
5) After technical fouls, get the ball in play immediately.
6) Make them earn the second technical foul. Don't be reluctant to give the second trechnical foul if it is warranted.

I'm now convinced that the proper way to deal with constant ranting, especially about the same play after several times up and down the floor, is to get the T early out. I can deal with a coach who's constantly complaining AS LONG AS he moves along with his comments, i.e. doesn't keep talking about the same thing. You may ask, what's the difference? A reasonable question and I'll admit there is a fine line there but with experience, you can tell if a coach is going to be a constant talker -- i.e. noisy but relatively harmless -- or a jerk that needs to be shut down ASAP. You have the control of his players to worry about most. If they are under control (his or yours), we can allow some more chatting, but if they are complaining themselves, playing a bit rough, etc., you have to nip it fast.

I have a very quick T for demonstrative actions. A coach tossed a clipboard in front of me the other night and bought a very fast T. But complaints have never really bothered me too much.