Five Second Violation

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why would you consider that a throw-in violation? The thrower is allowed to bounce the ball OOB before making the throw-in.

I think he's trying to say that if you allow the ball just to bounce and get out of its way there's going to be a throw-in violation because either another member of that team is going to get the ball or the throw-in player will move to get the ball. Either way, it's a violation.

Then again, maybe that's not what he's thinking at all.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I think he's trying to say that if you allow the ball just to bounce and get out of its way there's going to be a throw-in violation because either another member of that team is going to get the ball or the throw-in player will move to get the ball. Either way, it's a violation.

Then again, maybe that's not what he's thinking at all.

Or perhaps he's thinking that after a couple of bounces you'll hit the 5 second mark and call that violation.

To allow the ball to bounce away after the thrower has tossed it back to the official, and then call the violation for leaving the spot, etc., seems a lot like setting the thrower up. Better, I think, to do what the OP saw.

[bigdogrunnin]

Seems like the officials handled this situation very well. Personally, I would let the ball bounce off of me and to the floor. I am not setting up the player throwing the ball in, because it isn't my responsibility to "bail them out." Get the ball inbounds or spend a timeout. My count doesn't stop because of the buzzer at the table.

BTW, that is something I cover with EVERY table crew, EVERY night I call, on any level (JH-College). I let them know that once the ball has been handed off to the team throwing the ball in, do not buzz us (the officials). It is too late to sub in, because the sub(s) was/were not at the table when the dead ball occurred. (Rules say 15-seconds before the dead-ball.) I also let the table know that if there is a correction to be made, do not buzz us once play has started. Instead they are to wait until the next dead ball, as whatever happens can still be corrected at that time. I started doing it this season, and I have not had a table problem this entire season. Preventative officiating . . . it is a beautiful thing.

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

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BTW, that is something I cover with EVERY table crew, EVERY night I call, on any level (JH-College). ..............It is too late to sub in, because the sub(s) was/were not at the table when the dead ball occurred. (Rules say 15-seconds before the dead-ball.)..... Preventative officiating . . . it is a beautiful thing.

What rule says that subs need to report at the table 15-seconds before the dead-ball?