NBA...at it again!

[JRutledge]

Here is the thing, none of us were there. You do not know what context things were said or who heard them. I do agree what Thomas said. Why have two of your stars in the game at that point? Now the Nuggets are paying for this a lot more than the Knicks will after this fight. The Knicks are not likely going to make the playoffs. A game or two could keep the Nuggets from having home-court advantage and advancing in the playoffs. I hope it was worth it.

Peace

[cmathews]

Yeah, they didn't need to be in there, and now they (nuggies) can find out how good they are without the leagues leading scorer...now they will really pursue the Answer LOL...

[deecee]

here's the thing -- these guys are professionals and I dont expect to hear any whining about "boo hoo -- we are getting our asses kicked and the starters are still in." Suck it up and put a better product out there if you are continually getting your butt handed to you -- period this isnt popwarner basektball.

You put a crap product on the floor and you get flushed well thats the bed you made -- get real comfortable. I think the new james bond should have been officiating this game -- throw diplomacy out the window -- and the knicks (except David lee -- I like the guy and his hustle reminds me of Charles Oakley).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

here's the thing -- these guys are professionals and I dont expect to hear any whining about "boo hoo -- we are getting our asses kicked and the starters are still in." Suck it up and put a better product out there if you are continually getting your butt handed to you -- period this isnt popwarner basektball.

You put a crap product on the floor and you get flushed well thats the bed you made -- get real comfortable. I think the new james bond should have been officiating this game -- throw diplomacy out the window -- and the knicks (except David lee -- I like the guy and his hustle reminds me of Charles Oakley).

First of all this is not Pop Warner, Little League or JH ball. This is the pros. Like it or not there are codes of respect. I cannot think of a single sport where there are not certain codes that players and coaches live by to some extent at the pro level. Even at the college and HS levels there are certain things you do not do or you will piss off the opponent and sometimes the officials. Ever see a team up by 50 keep on the press? I am not saying actions that are advocated are justified or the right thing to do. But we would all be naive to think that doing certain things to embarrass or to show up an opponent is not apart of the thinking of many that play and participate.

Peace

[deecee]

JR -- I am not saying that its the right thing to do -- but why should one team change their strategy on how they want to play their whole game because their opponent sucks. I mean these guys get paid millions a year, these coaches have the job security of the president of Iraq, and most of them whether winning or losing have the same lack of sportsmanship that might have been present 30 or 40 years ago.

Take the lakers game yesterday versus the wizards -- one of the qizards players had a fairly open fast break that smush parker caught up to and fouled the guy and while he fouled him he held on to him to keep him from falling -- what did the wizards player say "instead of thanks for keeping me up" he got in smush's face and started trash talking. The foul was clean and smush made a good play on the ball but the fact remains that the Knicks should take their lumps and the next time they play the nuggets they might want to try to score more than the nuggets. simple plan -- however they will fail.

[Adam]

We're talking about, what, a 20 point lead? It's not like they were winning by 80. Isaiah's comments strike me as premeditation. I would hope that, even lacking definitive information, Stern had a word with Thomas.
Getting embarrassed is one thing, tackling a shooter from behind is not an appropriate response; I don't care who you are. It's not quite like throwing a hit-and-run sucker punch, but still....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

We're talking about, what, a 20 point lead? It's not like they were winning by 80. Isaiah's comments strike me as premeditation. I would hope that, even lacking definitive information, Stern had a word with Thomas.
Getting embarrassed is one thing, tackling a shooter from behind is not an appropriate response; I don't care who you are. It's not quite like throwing a hit-and-run sucker punch, but still....

You are talking about a 20 point lead with a 1:30 to go in the game. If this was a HS game, I am not sure you would take that same attitude. Also there were some reverse dunking and other show boating that did not go over well.

I never justified anything, I said that there are ways to do things and there are ways not to do things. It is no different than a baseball player taking a slow run around the bases after a homerun or going after a star in a hockey game. There are a lot of codes pros live by and it will start trouble if you violate them. Of course I do not agree with all these codes and the way people get upset about them, but they are still there. And if you want to avoid that perception, then do not violate these codes.

Peace

[Old School]

Mr. Rutledge, I'm sorry but I'm not buying your argument. 20 points is not that big of a lead in the NBA with less than 2 minutes to play. I have seen 2 minutes take up to an hour to play in the NBA. Plus, not too many years ago, Denver was getting beat when they had big leads going into the final minutes. In addition, George Karl does not strike me as the type of man that would run up the score.

There maybe something to the point that George and Larry Brown are old bud's and not liking what the Knicks did to Larry reputation, however, can't prove any of that.

As far as showtime. The NBA is all about showtime, monster dunks, spectacular dunks, etc. Players are getting paid million of dollars and the fans are paying top dollar to see this action. They should come out to compete every night or expect to get whoop pretty good. I still don't think Denver was pouring it on as bad as the Knicks are making it out to be. I think the Laker's was pouring it on when they left Kobie in the game to score 81 points. Now, I can see that type of foul on Kobie that night, damn, too bad Isiah wasn't coaching that team. That's what I call running it up! That's the unwritten code that you speak of.

What we had here, was not a failure to communicate, but some young men overreacting to the situation (btw, foul was a F1, debatable F2) and a coach who took it personally. Isiah is not a good coach to me, imho. Guaranteed, you will see more stuff like this from him this season.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Ever see a team up by 50 keep on the press?
Peace

How about that 201-78 NCAA-M game recently?