NBA...at it again!

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You're a genius!



Personally, I didn't think the foul was that bad. I don't see an ejection based solely on the foul. Having not seen the game, I wonder if anything preceded the foul.

That foul definitely deserved a Flagrant 2. The NBA refs referee plays like that on the basis of W-I-F. It stands for Wind up, Impact, and Follow-through. Not all three have to be present to award a Flagrant 2 and eject a player, but that is how they use it. In this case, the Wind up was def. there, the impact was def. there, maybe not so much of the follow through because he pulled his hands back up, but like I said not all 3 have to be present to eject. It was def. an ejectable offense.

jimgolf,

In response to your 1st question referees are taught to handle it different ways, because different situations calls for different actions. In this situation
Robbie calls the foul and ejects Collins then him and Bavetta sees what is about to take place so they both go get the players and try to restrain them. As you saw Violet was the Trail so she sits back and gets the big picture view which is what she needed to do here. It is ok to have 2 officials on the play, but we don't need 3. We need one to sit back and watch it all. From there, Bavetta has a hold of one of the players and Robbie has one of the others and then Nate Robinson comes in. Robbie loses his player and that player takes Nate to the ground and from there you see Bavetta and Robinson get out of there, which is exactly what you want to do. Now all 3 officials can watch the benches and the players on the court to see who throws the punches and will be ejected. There is nothing else they can do at this point but just watch and start ejecting players. Leave all that garbage to the coaches to clean up.

[Larks]

Each team fined $500,000 (Has that ever happened before?)

Carmello - 15 game sit
Robinson and Smith - 10 game sits.
Plus some additional suspensions

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2701228

[cmathews]

Stern says the 500k fines are a message that they are serious about cleaning up the league...yet he lets Thomas continue coaching after a threat. Saying he only used definite knowledge for suspensions. Thomas admits telling Anthony not to go to the paint, but it was meant as a "sportsmanship" lecture .......I ain't buying that part of it....I like the suspensions for the players though, seem about right to me...

[deecee]

Why suspend Isiah?

I think ownership for the Knicks NEEDS TO fire him. I cannot remember the last time anyone in life was given so many second chances after so many screw ups. And by so many screw ups I mean the same screw ups many times.

[cmathews]

Firing is a good idea, the suspension needs to come from the NBA for initiating the problem to begin with....

[JRutledge]

Here is the thing, none of us were there. You do not know what context things were said or who heard them. I do agree what Thomas said. Why have two of your stars in the game at that point? Now the Nuggets are paying for this a lot more than the Knicks will after this fight. The Knicks are not likely going to make the playoffs. A game or two could keep the Nuggets from having home-court advantage and advancing in the playoffs. I hope it was worth it.

Peace

[cmathews]

Yeah, they didn't need to be in there, and now they (nuggies) can find out how good they are without the leagues leading scorer...now they will really pursue the Answer LOL...

[deecee]

here's the thing -- these guys are professionals and I dont expect to hear any whining about "boo hoo -- we are getting our asses kicked and the starters are still in." Suck it up and put a better product out there if you are continually getting your butt handed to you -- period this isnt popwarner basektball.

You put a crap product on the floor and you get flushed well thats the bed you made -- get real comfortable. I think the new james bond should have been officiating this game -- throw diplomacy out the window -- and the knicks (except David lee -- I like the guy and his hustle reminds me of Charles Oakley).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

here's the thing -- these guys are professionals and I dont expect to hear any whining about "boo hoo -- we are getting our asses kicked and the starters are still in." Suck it up and put a better product out there if you are continually getting your butt handed to you -- period this isnt popwarner basektball.

You put a crap product on the floor and you get flushed well thats the bed you made -- get real comfortable. I think the new james bond should have been officiating this game -- throw diplomacy out the window -- and the knicks (except David lee -- I like the guy and his hustle reminds me of Charles Oakley).

First of all this is not Pop Warner, Little League or JH ball. This is the pros. Like it or not there are codes of respect. I cannot think of a single sport where there are not certain codes that players and coaches live by to some extent at the pro level. Even at the college and HS levels there are certain things you do not do or you will piss off the opponent and sometimes the officials. Ever see a team up by 50 keep on the press? I am not saying actions that are advocated are justified or the right thing to do. But we would all be naive to think that doing certain things to embarrass or to show up an opponent is not apart of the thinking of many that play and participate.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

That foul definitely deserved a Flagrant 2. The NBA refs referee plays like that on the basis of W-I-F. It stands for Wind up, Impact, and Follow-through. Not all three have to be present to award a Flagrant 2 and eject a player, but that is how they use it. In this case, the Wind up was def. there, the impact was def. there, maybe not so much of the follow through because he pulled his hands back up, but like I said not all 3 have to be present to eject. It was def. an ejectable offense.

Great. You're entitled to your opinion but so am I and I still disagree. I do not think Collins would have been ejected if the fight had not occurred. Robinson is signalling two shots in the video. He is not signalling an ejection as you stated in your post. That is very clear.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Great. You're entitled to your opinion but so am I and I still disagree. I do not think Collins would have been ejected if the fight had not occurred. Robinson is signalling two shots in the video. He is not signalling an ejection as you stated in your post. That is very clear.

Well just to let you have a more in depth watching of the fight I got another youtube playing of the fight with commentary and also you can hear the cadence of the whistles. There is no doubt in my mind he was getting ejected. Anytime you wind up and swing that hard and hit a player in the head, especially the head that is a flagrant 2. I saw Robbie doing no such thing as signaling 2 shots. but I will just let you listen to this for yourself.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LoFFjeVAV...elated&search=

P.S. listen to how loud the shot from Carmelo to Mardy Collins is.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Great. You're entitled to your opinion but so am I and I still disagree. I do not think Collins would have been ejected if the fight had not occurred. Robinson is signalling two shots in the video. He is not signalling an ejection as you stated in your post. That is very clear.

Robinson is not signalling two shots, he's signalling flagarant two.