NBA...at it again!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Lemme guess... you didn't like that the previous thread became a racial issue and as thread starter, you were able to delete the entire thread. You then (re-)started the/this thread.

You're a genius!



Personally, I didn't think the foul was that bad. I don't see an ejection based solely on the foul. Having not seen the game, I wonder if anything preceded the foul.

I think Carmelo Anthony will probably get the longest suspension of any of the players. The little b!tch slap and run that he pulled certainly isn't going to endear him to the casual fan.

I would think the league would make some announcements tomorrow.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Personally, I didn't think the foul was that bad. I don't see an ejection based solely on the foul. Having not seen the game, I wonder if anything preceded the foul.

The NY papers said yesterday that Isiah Thomas supposedly told Carmelo Anthony before the incident that if Anthony was smart, he'd keep out of the paint for the rest of the game. If that can be substantiated, I'd imagine that Thomas will be looking at a suspension too.

[Old School]

Just learned this morning that Isaiah said; show some class, to Camby and Anthony, not don't go to the hole or you're going to pay. Says this got something to do with Larry Brown, interesting....

[Raymond]

The foul definitely warranted an ejection. Take a look again at the clubbing motion of his (Marty Collins) left arm to the neck of JR Smith. Then Nate Robinson escalated the situation with his actions. Carmelo definitely took a sucker-punch, but I feel no pity for the recepient of the punch (Marty Collins).

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The foul definitely warranted an ejection. Take a look again at the clubbing motion of his (Marty Collins) left arm to the neck of JR Smith.

Welll, I disagree. I don't think he would have been ejected based on the foul alone.

[Larks]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WXDDwwX1jWs

Thats the video link again. Hurry - you tube deleted the last link due to NBA copyright rules.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Larks

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WXDDwwX1jWs

Thats the video link again. Hurry - you tube deleted the last link due to NBA copyright rules.

Thanks for the link.

I don't know if the original foul was worthy of an ejection or not by NBA standards but if not then the NBA better rethink this.

Isaiah doesn't want to get embarrased at home in the closing minute? Then Isaiah should have gotten a better product to put on the floor.

I agree that Carmello's slap & run makes him look bad. I don't think it will make a difference to the typical fan though.

BTW, I just read this statement that was issued yesterday.

Last night's altercation with the Knicks escalated further than it should have. I take full responsibility for my actions in the matter. In the heat of the moment I let my emotions get the best of me. I apologize to the fans, the Denver Nuggets, the NBA, my mother and my family for the embarrassment I have caused them. I ask you all for your forgiveness.

"I also want to make a personal apology to Mardy Collins and his family. My actions were inexcusable, and I am sorry for making this an even more embarrassing situation.

"What makes this all the more painful is that this was one of the most important weeks of my life. I just realized one of my biggest dreams when we opened the Youth Center in Baltimore that bares my name. To see the community excited and hundreds of kids smiling was an incredible feeling. Now the thought of thousands of kids seeing this incident on TV pains me. This is not the example I want to set.

"It's my hope that we work to move forward from this event, and never let something like this happen again."
-- Carmelo Anthony

[Jimgolf]

My previous post on this was incorrect. Robbie Robinson did get involved, seperating Jeffries from one of the Nuggets. I hope I wasn't contributing to whatever caused the thread to be deleted.

Some general questions:
1- What should be the role of officials as this kind of melee develops? I thought Bavetta did a good job of quieting the initial mess, and if the Nuggets had gotten Anthony out of there, this might have been a minor incident.

2-Before the hard foul by Collins, Smith lowered his shoulder and pounded into Collins. Incidental contact? Or was this already a defensive foul because Collins didn't have LGP?

3-Isaiah Thomas was clearly talking to Anthony during the previous lull in the game. When you see this type of thing, do you say anything to the coach? Like maybe "Coach your own players!", or is this something to avoid entirely?


Note: When people argue that it's OK to run up the score at certain levels, this incident might be used as an example as to why that may not be such a good idea. Food for thought.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Welll, I disagree. I don't think he would have been ejected based on the foul alone.

What about if this were a HS game and you were calling it?

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by Old School

Just learned this morning that Isaiah said; show some class, to Camby and Anthony, not don't go to the hole or you're going to pay. Says this got something to do with Larry Brown, interesting....

Go to ESPN.com and watch the video of Thomas talking to Anthony. His body language certainly doesn't suggest "show some class". They have a close up and it appears that he says something to the effect of "Anthony, don't go to the paint, or it's going to get ugly" then at the end he has a little father knows best smirk on his face........looks like he will watch the next one or more on TV...which in all reality will probably be better for him, they should actually just make him coach then watch the tapes 3 more times, a much bigger punishment the way the Knicks are playing...

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You're a genius!



Personally, I didn't think the foul was that bad. I don't see an ejection based solely on the foul. Having not seen the game, I wonder if anything preceded the foul.

That foul definitely deserved a Flagrant 2. The NBA refs referee plays like that on the basis of W-I-F. It stands for Wind up, Impact, and Follow-through. Not all three have to be present to award a Flagrant 2 and eject a player, but that is how they use it. In this case, the Wind up was def. there, the impact was def. there, maybe not so much of the follow through because he pulled his hands back up, but like I said not all 3 have to be present to eject. It was def. an ejectable offense.

jimgolf,

In response to your 1st question referees are taught to handle it different ways, because different situations calls for different actions. In this situation
Robbie calls the foul and ejects Collins then him and Bavetta sees what is about to take place so they both go get the players and try to restrain them. As you saw Violet was the Trail so she sits back and gets the big picture view which is what she needed to do here. It is ok to have 2 officials on the play, but we don't need 3. We need one to sit back and watch it all. From there, Bavetta has a hold of one of the players and Robbie has one of the others and then Nate Robinson comes in. Robbie loses his player and that player takes Nate to the ground and from there you see Bavetta and Robinson get out of there, which is exactly what you want to do. Now all 3 officials can watch the benches and the players on the court to see who throws the punches and will be ejected. There is nothing else they can do at this point but just watch and start ejecting players. Leave all that garbage to the coaches to clean up.

[Larks]

Each team fined $500,000 (Has that ever happened before?)

Carmello - 15 game sit
Robinson and Smith - 10 game sits.
Plus some additional suspensions

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2701228

[cmathews]

Stern says the 500k fines are a message that they are serious about cleaning up the league...yet he lets Thomas continue coaching after a threat. Saying he only used definite knowledge for suspensions. Thomas admits telling Anthony not to go to the paint, but it was meant as a "sportsmanship" lecture .......I ain't buying that part of it....I like the suspensions for the players though, seem about right to me...

[deecee]

Why suspend Isiah?

I think ownership for the Knicks NEEDS TO fire him. I cannot remember the last time anyone in life was given so many second chances after so many screw ups. And by so many screw ups I mean the same screw ups many times.

[cmathews]

Firing is a good idea, the suspension needs to come from the NBA for initiating the problem to begin with....