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I'll fully admit I have used the "save a foul" technique on occasion when I know most people have no idea who the ball went out on. I also must admit that it caused me some trouble just a couple of weeks ago. We had a girl's double header and during the JV game I was L under the V basket. A V girl went to the hoop and got bumped by H defender. It should have been called, but H was clearly outmatched and we already had plenty of fouls on them. After the bump the ball went out of bounds and unfortunately I already made up my mind that I was going to "save a foul" and give the ball to V. As I hit my whistle and announce that it's V ball. What was bad and caused me problems was that V ended up holding the ball out of bounds on the play. Anyway, the whole place goes nuts, the coach was understandably upset. After V scores and we start down to the other end, the H coach follows me up the court gesturing and telling me how "horrible" that call was. Yes, I threw the T. Had he sat while complaining I would have let him go, but since he made a public circus out of it, I took care of him. Long story short, the "saving a foul" cost me some credibility at one school and I had to work my butt off in the V game to try to get it back. I'm throwing that one out of my bag of tricks.
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And....Jurassic thinks that it's truly sad that some officials just don't know or understand the difference. |
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IMO, the wording in the rule should be read as, "...designed *only* to keep the clock from starting..." As I read your description, B3 was making a "basketball play" and the common foul was the correct call. |
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You said it better than I did....."common sense officiating!" I just can't explain myself well...... Tell me how you can stick completely by the book on a monday night and do four seventh grade games and get home before midnight!!! Does common sense officiating make sense there?.....I think so! If a player has four fouls late in the game....do you ever let a touch foul go that you may have called earlier in the game? If one player has four fouls and another doesn't and there is a close play where you could give a foul to one or more players....do you lean towards not fouling the player out? |
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It refers to knowing how and when to apply <b>existing</b> rules. It <b>never</b> means making up your <b>own</b> rules. |
I don't make up rules. I can't explain it, but sometimes you can "bend" a rule just a little bit to make it a better game. I don't know how to explain it, but it is done at every level of basketball and it can be done without making up your own rules. Here is another one. IF a player falls down in the lane on offense.....do you wait until he gets up to give him a chance to get out? Or do you call 3 seconds? It's in the rulebook.....it should be 3 seconds right? But you just don't call it on a guy who falls down......common sense....right?
What if a girl is shooting a free throw and a teammate's toe is about an inch over the line into an opponent's space and she makes the shot......do you blow the whistle and call a lane violation? She broke the rule.....if you go by the book, you wipe out the free throw......I would motion to her and say quietly "watch your feet" before I would call a violation. What if a 7th grade girl who is too small to shoot free throws finally makes one but goes about 2 inches over the line.....do you wipe it out? You have to make decisions like this constantly and you can't always go strictly by the book in my opinion. |
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And back to this "force-out" nonsense. How hard does a foul have to be to be a foul, guys? How do you measure the contact, in psi? For goodness sake, if B's contact forced A out, call the foul. Don't make up an out-of-bounds-on-B call. I've seen it, it was pretty obvious, and to me that just hurts our credibility. Because it WILL inevitably happen in front of B's bench, and they will all know that B NEVER touched the ball! And don't say, "I'd just tell the coach that I saved his player a foul," because then he KNOWS you're making your s--t up as you go along! |
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I stand corrected many times over!
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I think this is the one post where I've seen the most intelligence ever on this website.
Billy Packer is a moron! Truer words have never been spoken! |
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