Double Personal

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Using or recommending NCAAW mechanics for HS games makes me sad.

As I said above, these are the state-approved mechanics for HS girls basketball in NY. They happen to be similar in this case to NCAAW mechanics. (NY uses NCAAW rules for girls HS ball; the mechanics are also patterned to some extent after NCAAW mechanics.)

So I use HS mechanics for my HS games. How 'bout that?

[Adam]

To me, it seems more likely for a blarge to be a legitimate double foul than for two knuckleheads jockeying down in the post.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To me, it seems more likely for a blarge to be a legitimate double foul than for two knuckleheads jockeying down in the post.

I know this doesn't really have anything to do with the thread, but I disagree with this. In my mind, a crash simply CAN'T be both a block and a charge. Either the defender was legal or not. Obviously the two refs can see it differently and make different calls, but one of them is wrong.

It's much more likely that two boneheads just whack each other at the same time. Was there one that came first? Probably. But there will be the occasion where they foul at the same time.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I know this doesn't really have anything to do with the thread, but I disagree with this. In my mind, a crash simply CAN'T be both a block and a charge. Either the defender was legal or not. Obviously the two refs can see it differently and make different calls, but one of them is wrong.

It's much more likely that two boneheads just whack each other at the same time. Was there one that came first? Probably. But there will be the occasion where they foul at the same time.

I can imagine a blarge situation that's a double foul, but it sure isn't the run of the mill blarge. The one I imagine looks like two rams butting heads...

I agree that for run of the mill blarges, if you have 2 calls one of them is likely wrong.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

In my mind, a crash simply CAN'T be both a block and a charge.

But a foul can be a force-out?

You're wierd.

Btw, I think that the NCAA Mens and NFHS rulesmakers probably agree with you. It really does have to be one or t'other in real life, but they had to come up with something to use when 2 officials had different calls on the same play and neither wanted to back down. You know....being macho and all that. Of course, the NCAA Wimmen didn't think that would be a problem at all......so they put in a different rule:
"You, make the call, Mildred."
"No, no. You make the call, Agnes. I insist!"

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

But a foul can be a force-out?

No, no, no, no. I was just saying what the ref DID, not whether it was correct. He called a force-out, when he should've called a foul.

You're wierd.

I'm rubber, you're glue. . .

Btw, I think that the NCAA Mens and NFHS rulesmakers probably agree with you. It really does have to be one or t'other in real life,

If they did, they'd go to the women's rule. Give up the call to the person who has primary responsibility for it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I'm rubber, you're glue. . .

The feeling is mucilage.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're wierd.

Remember: 'weird' is weird.

Don't blame me: blame the Saxons.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Remember: 'weird' is weird.

Don't blame me: blame the Saxons.

There's a liitle background story behind the "wierd" spelling.

Scrapper, who is just a great Yankees fan, once posted that all BoSox fans are "wierd". I just like to remind him of that.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's a liitle background story behind the "wierd" spelling.

Scrapper, who is just a great Yankees fan, once posted that all BoSox fans are "wierd". I just like to remind him of that.

"There is a weird power in a spoken word. ...And a word carries far - very far- deals destruction through time as the bullets go flying through space." - Joseph Conrad

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Of course, the NCAA Wimmen didn't think that would be a problem at all......so they put in a different rule:
"You, make the call, Mildred."
"No, no. You make the call, Agnes. I insist!"

Careful.

Mildred and Agnes can still kick your butt.

And, in the case of the "standard" block/charge call, there can be only a block, or a charge, but not both. So Mildred and Agnes would be getting it right by coming out with only one foul in that case.