Kicking myself this morning

[OHBBREF]

A number of years ago I was working a game with a first year D1 official (now works Con USA A10 and I think Big east), the coach for one team had been riding us pretty hard from the tip but nothing completely out of line to get him for. The ball is being inbounded by this official as the trail in the back court I am the slot right in front of this coaches bench awaiting the inbound and the ref yells up the floor to me "Next time he opens his mouth to complain - you Toss him" loud enough for everyone in the gym to hear.

Coach sat down and coached his team the rest of the night and we had a productive evening.


Not necessarily recomended but it was effective that night.

[OHBBREF]

No that is not what I am saying -
I am saying that apparently they were either spending the whole night on Junkers back in both games - or the other two officials have a no spine or a high tolerance for getting ridden by coaches all night.

First time that coach starts in he gets warned that he is done officiating for the night and told my crew that that was the case - then there is no reason not to whack the fool if he keeps it up and anyone can do it.

Coaches and players have to adapt to how we officiate we do not adapt to how they complain.

[tomegun]

OK, so Junker was the official who beckoned the coach onto the floor. How were the other two officials going to be right beside him to hear what the coach said unless the coach yelled it? Even if the coach yelled, he was right there and handled it.
Junker called a blocking foul and the player, who he was nearest to, throws up her hands right in his face. He does the right thing and gives a T.
The varsity coach is on the crew from the tip and they gave him too much rope.
What do any of the three situations have in common where his partners shoudl have gave one of the first two technical fouls? How did the first two technicals have to do with the third since they were in a different game?

JR, you're an assigner. Would you have had a problem with Junker calling all three of these technical fouls?

[Junker]

I agree that we all gave the varsity coach too much rope. I should gotten him in the first half, but because of the previous game I didnt (see the name of the tread ). We did pregame that I didn't want to have to be the one to get him. I'm really glad one of them finally stepped in and whacked him, although it was a little too late. My partners do a great job, but one likes to talk to the coaches a little more than the other 2. I'm trying to find a good way to address this in our converstations. Friday night I work with 2 really good, experienced officials and I might pick their brains on how to bring it up. I'm in kind of a delicate place. I was solo and they were a 2 man crew that brought me on. We have a great schedule for this year and I think our stock is rising with assignors so the crew is working well. This is just a hurdle that we need to get over. I'm sure there are alot of crews that go through this. Adam, I emailed you the school on your yahoo address. I didn't think that would be the best info to post.

[OHBBREF]

Okay once again - I see Junker with the first two T's no problem they were his all the way - no argument there -
The varsity coach started his line of Crap in the JV game they were prepared to warn him or have him removed in the first half - and Junker did warn him about his conduct on the bench the second half - so it isn't going to take a whole lot for him to get a stop sign or warning about his crap in the Varsity game -(he was on us from the opening tip) What I am saying is that as a crew they gave him way too much rope - I personally do not care who whacked him, Junker or his partner could have gotten him twice back to back - over all it would have been better for the crew if he got whacked twice - that it was by a couple of different people (which means if Junker gives him the second one is okay) - but I would have thought that since Junker had already steped up and said he was predisposed to giving this guy one - that the third official would have been the one to walk him to the bench? (avoid the Teddy Valentine/ Bobby Knight situation) -
I just think they gave him way too much rope he needed to be stopped early in the game and either warned or whacked then we might not be discussing who could or should have given the second T

[Junker]

You hit it on the head. The only reason I didn't get him in the second game was that I didn't want to look like I was predisposed to the T. I like to use the T only to make the game better, and I felt that had I thrown another on this particular night, it would have made an already bad night into a terrible one. I'm glad one of my partners got him once, but after the game and thinking about it on the way home, I think we did the officials in this area a disservice by not sending him to the showers. Like I said, I'm kicking myself today.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Junker

You hit it on the head. The only reason I didn't get him in the second game was that I didn't want to look like I was predisposed to the T. I like to use the T only to make the game better....

Wouldn't the game be better if you put his yappy azz in the parking lot too?

Again, I think that the act should be penalized. A lot of these other factors just aren't relevant imo. If the act deserves a "T", then call it and don't worry about it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tomegun

JR, you're an assigner. Would you have had a problem with Junker calling all three of these technical fouls?

Technical fouls are usually called because a coach/player/whoever commits an unsporting act. What difference does it make who makes the call when that person does commit an unsporting act. You're penalizing the act, is all. If a coach wants to keep yapping at you after you called a "T"on him, then why should it be up to anyone else to take care of your bidness? You gave out the right advice imo, Tom, when you said to turn your back and walk away after you nailed the coach. If they still want to continue, then it's on them imo- not any of the officials on the floor.

Officials don't throw coaches or players. They throw themselves. All the officials are doing is reacting to their actions, not looking to nail someone.

Personally, I think that officials not calling technical fouls when warranted is a much greater problem than actually calling technical fouls these days. And from the looks of both the NFHS and NCAA POE's lately, I don't seem to be alone. And I say that recognizing that there are certainly different tolerance levels involved when it comes to comparing the high school and college game too. Hell, even the NBA thinks that it's finally gone too far and they want something done about it.

Jmo, Tom.

[truerookie]

Personally, I think that officials not calling technical fouls when warranted is a much greater problem than actually calling technical fouls these days. And from the looks of both the NFHS and NCAA POE's lately, I don't seem to be alone.

This is true. I was personally involved in a situation where technicals had to be called and I called them.

Background: Team A takes a shot the shot rebounds off the rim A 44 catches the missed shot and dunks it. Everything is good until he does a chin up with the rim (Whack!). I go to report the technical and as I am reporting the technical on A 44. Team A coach comes up to me and states my partner just apologize to him for me making that call. I whack him for that state (Mental note ask partner after game). Partner cannot apologize for this one. Team A was up by four. Team B shot the two T's free thows game tied at 78. A couple more trips up and down game is over Team A 82-Team B 80. As we are leaving the court, the coach of A chases us down yelling and screaming unfavorable words about the technical I called during the game. And that by the game being over (no time on the clock) I cannot do anything about his conduct) Keep in mind he just won the game. So, I whack him again. Now, this will give Team B the chance to force overtime. Team B miss the first technical shot game over.

So when the situation warrants STICK' EM and sort them out later.

[OHBBREF]

Been in that situation before hated it except that the player made the FT's and we go to OT and his team loses by 4 (all my fault).

Way to do the right thing.
My only regret was I didn't toss him - did you?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Been in that situation before hated it except that the player made the FT's and we go to OT and his team loses by 4 (all my fault).

Way to do the right thing.
My only regret was I didn't toss him - did you?

Yes, he was tossed. I probably played in his favor that B missed the free-thows because he was the only coach on the bench.