Kicking myself this morning

[OHBBREF]

It does sound like you left one out there -
But you also say you feel you handled it okay!

My question is this where were your partners all night?

You gave out two in the first game, late in the game one of your partners had to give one after you walked away where was the third guy?

this sounds like everyone could have had one for the evening I think sometimes you need to spread the wealth amoungst the crew -especially when you have a guy who leads the league in "T's". It is just time to bolster your stats.

[Junker]

The 2 in the first game were both clearly mine. The coach and player were right in my face. The one in the varsity game was one of my partners. I blew it by not running him while I was getting him on the bench. He's just whiner and his team is not very good. Maybe those go together?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Junker

He's just whiner and his team is not very good. Maybe those go together?

Do you think so?

Not being there I can not tell you right or wrong - reading your post - and adding prior bad acts (first game issues) I probably Whack him on the way to the bench.

I see the first two as yours - but I do not see that during both games you were the only one that the coaches and players went after (I do not get the impression that you s@#k as an official) so my comment still stands where were your partners all night long?

one of them needed to step up to the plate and "take one for the crew so to speak"

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

...I see the first two as yours - but I do not see that during both games you were the only one that the coaches and players went after (I do not get the impression that you s@#k as an official) so my comment still stands where were your partners all night long?

one of them needed to step up to the plate and "take one for the crew so to speak"

Now you are saying to spread the T's out evenly over two totally different games? Puh Lease!

[OHBBREF]

A number of years ago I was working a game with a first year D1 official (now works Con USA A10 and I think Big east), the coach for one team had been riding us pretty hard from the tip but nothing completely out of line to get him for. The ball is being inbounded by this official as the trail in the back court I am the slot right in front of this coaches bench awaiting the inbound and the ref yells up the floor to me "Next time he opens his mouth to complain - you Toss him" loud enough for everyone in the gym to hear.

Coach sat down and coached his team the rest of the night and we had a productive evening.


Not necessarily recomended but it was effective that night.

[OHBBREF]

No that is not what I am saying -
I am saying that apparently they were either spending the whole night on Junkers back in both games - or the other two officials have a no spine or a high tolerance for getting ridden by coaches all night.

First time that coach starts in he gets warned that he is done officiating for the night and told my crew that that was the case - then there is no reason not to whack the fool if he keeps it up and anyone can do it.

Coaches and players have to adapt to how we officiate we do not adapt to how they complain.

[tomegun]

OK, so Junker was the official who beckoned the coach onto the floor. How were the other two officials going to be right beside him to hear what the coach said unless the coach yelled it? Even if the coach yelled, he was right there and handled it.
Junker called a blocking foul and the player, who he was nearest to, throws up her hands right in his face. He does the right thing and gives a T.
The varsity coach is on the crew from the tip and they gave him too much rope.
What do any of the three situations have in common where his partners shoudl have gave one of the first two technical fouls? How did the first two technicals have to do with the third since they were in a different game?

JR, you're an assigner. Would you have had a problem with Junker calling all three of these technical fouls?

[Junker]

I agree that we all gave the varsity coach too much rope. I should gotten him in the first half, but because of the previous game I didnt (see the name of the tread ). We did pregame that I didn't want to have to be the one to get him. I'm really glad one of them finally stepped in and whacked him, although it was a little too late. My partners do a great job, but one likes to talk to the coaches a little more than the other 2. I'm trying to find a good way to address this in our converstations. Friday night I work with 2 really good, experienced officials and I might pick their brains on how to bring it up. I'm in kind of a delicate place. I was solo and they were a 2 man crew that brought me on. We have a great schedule for this year and I think our stock is rising with assignors so the crew is working well. This is just a hurdle that we need to get over. I'm sure there are alot of crews that go through this. Adam, I emailed you the school on your yahoo address. I didn't think that would be the best info to post.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tomegun

JR, you're an assigner. Would you have had a problem with Junker calling all three of these technical fouls?

Technical fouls are usually called because a coach/player/whoever commits an unsporting act. What difference does it make who makes the call when that person does commit an unsporting act. You're penalizing the act, is all. If a coach wants to keep yapping at you after you called a "T"on him, then why should it be up to anyone else to take care of your bidness? You gave out the right advice imo, Tom, when you said to turn your back and walk away after you nailed the coach. If they still want to continue, then it's on them imo- not any of the officials on the floor.

Officials don't throw coaches or players. They throw themselves. All the officials are doing is reacting to their actions, not looking to nail someone.

Personally, I think that officials not calling technical fouls when warranted is a much greater problem than actually calling technical fouls these days. And from the looks of both the NFHS and NCAA POE's lately, I don't seem to be alone. And I say that recognizing that there are certainly different tolerance levels involved when it comes to comparing the high school and college game too. Hell, even the NBA thinks that it's finally gone too far and they want something done about it.

Jmo, Tom.

[tomegun]

I don't agree at all when someone says, "Where were your partners." Many times one official is in a position to call multiple technical fouls; that is just the way it is. Similarly, we don't try to spread out common fouls evenly so technical fouls shouldn't be any different when they happen during different times of the game.
I think your only mistake is one of my pet peeves. You had too much dialogue with the coach after your partner gave him a T. You could have simply told him he must remain seated and then showed him your backside. What makes the dialogue worse is the fact that it was the second half and you didn't have to be all the way down there by him anyway. To add to the whole situation, you know you had wanted to T the coach all night and even though you didn't call the T felt the same way the calling official did. If you would have told him he had to sit and taken a position half way between the sideline and center circle in the front court the coach would have had to act like a jerk to communicate with you. Then, whack away!

[Adam]

Jeff, do you need me to fly out there and handle your coaches?

By the way, which school?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I don't agree at all when someone says, "Where were your partners." Many times one official is in a position to call multiple technical fouls; that is just the way it is. Similarly, we don't try to spread out common fouls evenly so technical fouls shouldn't be any different when they happen during different times of the game.
I think your only mistake is one of my pet peeves. You had too much dialogue with the coach after your partner gave him a T. You could have simply told him he must remain seated and then showed him your backside. What makes the dialogue worse is the fact that it was the second half and you didn't have to be all the way down there by him anyway. To add to the whole situation, you know you had wanted to T the coach all night and even though you didn't call the T felt the same way the calling official did. If you would have told him he had to sit and taken a position half way between the sideline and center circle in the front court the coach would have had to act like a jerk to communicate with you. Then, whack away!

Tom, you would have been happy with my partner last night.

GV/2-man crew.

In the 2nd half I hit the visiting HC with a T (my first T on a coach this season -- for those interested: I'm L table-side near his bench; he came out the box to complain about a call, I told him he needed to get back in his box and told him that was his warning, as he walks back to the top of the box he turned his head back over his shoulder says loud enough for me to hear "Shut up!"...I was appalled I tell you, just appalled ) Anyway, I digress.

I go L to administer the free throws and my partner goes across court opposite the table and monitors the players. After the 1st free throw HC is still up. So I communicate to my partner that the coach is still up and I wait as my partner goes over to the HC and and straps him in to the child seat . After my partner returns to his original position I administer the 2nd free throw.

Fast forward to the post-game. In locker room my partner asks me what I T'd the coach for. After my explanation my P tells me that after the T the coach kept yelling for him to come over and talk. My partner said he ignored him. Then when my P walked over to seatbelt the coach the coach wanted to talk and but my P told him "Coach, I'm only here to tell you you've lost your coaching box privileges". The coach then asked to my P to walk him to his seat. My partner responded "We're not going talk right now" and walked away.

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