Giving a T

[blindzebra]

Good ejection, just some advice:

1. Use the whistle, and calmly give the T signal, report it to the table and get away to find your partner.

2. Let your partner know what you have and let your partner inform the coach that he/she lost the coaches box. This does two things, it helps defuse the emotions of both you and the coach and it keeps any confusion away.

3. Whenever a coach is ejected and refuses to leave, it's simple. Tell the timer he/she has one minute and if they haven't left by the time the minute is up...ballgame!

[Back In The Saddle]

Using the whistle gives you one additional tool in your box. When a coach is getting near the line, and won't back off by talking to him, then it can sometimes be helpful to put the whistle into your mouth. It serves as a warning that the T is imminent. I've had it work before.

Just to add a thought to blindzebra's comments, sometimes it's better to hit the whistle, signal the T, and go find your partner immediately. Take 30 seconds to talk about what you're going to do next, who will tell the coach to sit, which end to shoot FTs at. Then go back and report. It gives the coach a few seconds to calm down. And, if he's still going strong when you go to report, you have ample justification to unload him.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Using the whistle gives you one additional tool in your box. When a coach is getting near the line, and won't back off by talking to him, then it can sometimes be helpful to put the whistle into your mouth. It serves as a warning that the T is imminent. I've had it work before.

Just to add a thought to blindzebra's comments, sometimes it's better to hit the whistle, signal the T, and go find your partner immediately. Take 30 seconds to talk about what you're going to do next, who will tell the coach to sit, which end to shoot FTs at. Then go back and report. It gives the coach a few seconds to calm down. And, if he's still going strong when you go to report, you have ample justification to unload him.

Not sure I like that.

There shouldn't be any discussion over who sits the coach, IMO, that should be your partner. Calling it, talking and then going back near the coach to report can be seen as baiting the coach.

I had this come up just last week. My partner got the visiting coach, 2nd half from lead. He came by reported, turned and said what he had and went to the other end to shoot. I walked across to the bench area and observed the players and let the coach talk to my back while we shot the first FT, as the second shot went up I turned and said, "Coach you have your seat the rest of the game," and went back across the court for the throw-in.

We took care of business, the coach had his say without feeling challenged, he calmed down, my partner had a chance to regroup and the game went on from there without incident.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Not sure I like that.

There shouldn't be any discussion over who sits the coach, IMO, that should be your partner. Calling it, talking and then going back near the coach to report can be seen as baiting the coach.

I had this come up just last week. My partner got the visiting coach, 2nd half from lead. He came by reported, turned and said what he had and went to the other end to shoot. I walked across to the bench area and observed the players and let the coach talk to my back while we shot the first FT, as the second shot went up I turned and said, "Coach you have your seat the rest of the game," and went back across the court for the throw-in.

We took care of business, the coach had his say without feeling challenged, he calmed down, my partner had a chance to regroup and the game went on from there without incident.

I like the way you handled this.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Not sure I like that.

There shouldn't be any discussion over who sits the coach, IMO, that should be your partner. Calling it, talking and then going back near the coach to report can be seen as baiting the coach.

I had this come up just last week. My partner got the visiting coach, 2nd half from lead. He came by reported, turned and said what he had and went to the other end to shoot. I walked across to the bench area and observed the players and let the coach talk to my back while we shot the first FT, as the second shot went up I turned and said, "Coach you have your seat the rest of the game," and went back across the court for the throw-in.

We took care of business, the coach had his say without feeling challenged, he calmed down, my partner had a chance to regroup and the game went on from there without incident.

The real beauty of these kinds of discussions is that we can both be very successful with our approaches

Just to clarify a couple points, if you already know that your partner is going to sit the coach, that's fine. The point is to get the calling official away from the coach and to give him a few seconds to calm down. A second benefit is that it can also help keep the crew from screwing up. I work with many less experienced officials, but it was a more experienced official who thought he was doing me a big favor by getting everybody quickly lined up to shoot while I was reporting a T. Only he had us shooting at the wrong basket. You can imagine how well that went over.

Second, it isn't actually necessary to go back near the coach to report. The foul reporting area is vast. If the calling official administers the T, which is the way we do it on my crews, then you can turn from your huddle, report from where you are, and hustle off to the endline to administer the free throw. The next contact that coach will have will be with your partner, putting him in an ideal position to deliver the second T if it is warranted.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The real beauty of these kinds of discussions is that we can both be very successful with our approaches

Just to clarify a couple points, if you already know that your partner is going to sit the coach, that's fine. The point is to get the calling official away from the coach and to give him a few seconds to calm down. A second benefit is that it can also help keep the crew from screwing up. I work with many less experienced officials, but it was a more experienced official who thought he was doing me a big favor by getting everybody quickly lined up to shoot while I was reporting a T. Only he had us shooting at the wrong basket. You can imagine how well that went over.

Second, it isn't actually necessary to go back near the coach to report. The foul reporting area is vast. If the calling official administers the T, which is the way we do it on my crews, then you can turn from your huddle, report from where you are, and hustle off to the endline to administer the free throw. The next contact that coach will have will be with your partner, putting him in an ideal position to deliver the second T if it is warranted.

I completely agree the crew needs to get together, I just don't agree with your sequence.

For me call it, report it, get away and talk to your partner seems less risky than call it, get away, talk to your partner and go back toward the coach to report...if you are using the foul reporting area that is in the manual, it isn't that vast...even if you aren't near the coach, the act of coming back and giving the T to the table, to me anyway, seems like it can be seen as an aggressive act.

[bigdogrunnin]

BITS has it dead on! Get away from the coach, talk to your partner, let everyone know what is going on. Then report the Technical, administer the Technical, and continue with the game.

As for the "back-to-back" technical fouls, well . . . probably shouldn't ever happen UNLESS they REALLY deserve it. And, if it does, it is better to let two different officials each give the coach one, rather than only one official giving both (JMO). That way, it doesn't turn into a "he said - she said" issue, and you don't end up trying to justify why you tossed a coach acting like an idiot. CYA

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

let your partner inform the coach that he/she lost the coaches box.

What is this "coaches box" that you speak of? I think it's a mythical being, like Dan_ref's hair or Jurassic's sense of humor.

(Seems we've had a rash of "coaches' box" comments lately. I now have that response programmed in my auto-text.)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

What is this "coaches box" that you speak of? I think it's a mythical being, like Dan_ref's hair or Jurassic's sense of humor.

(Seems we've had a rash of "coaches' box" comments lately. I now have that response programmed in my auto-text.)

Shut up.

I now have that response programmed in my auto-text.

[M&M Guy]

What did I miss?

(This auto-text feature really works.)

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

What is this "coaches box" that you speak of? I think it's a mythical being, like Dan_ref's hair or Jurassic's sense of humor.

(Seems we've had a rash of "coaches' box" comments lately. I now have that response programmed in my auto-text.)

[Scrapper1]

I thought you were supposed to turn those plates in.