3-point foul

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

According to the rules, a shooter's airborne status ends when one foot touches the court. You're calling it wrong.

You can't be airborne if you're touching the court. The definition of an "airborne shooter" in rule 4-1-1 states that the shooter has not returned to the floor.

But does it define returning to the floor?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

But does it define returning to the floor?

Seriously?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Seriously?

You think that an odd question? Seriously, there is no reason that returns to the floor and touches the floor necessarily have identical meanings. They may, but consider the possiblility that returns to the floor means more than the big toe has regained contact with the floor.

The main point of the airborne shooter rule is safety, extending airborne shooter protection to both feet on the floor is not, IMO, inconsitent with the rules as written or intended.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You think that an odd question? Seriously, there is no reason that returns to the floor and touches the floor necessarily have identical meanings. They may, but consider the possiblility that returns to the floor means more than the big toe has regained contact with the floor.

The main point of the airborne shooter rule is safety, extending airborne shooter protection to both feet on the floor is not, IMO, inconsitent with the rules as written or intended.

It's not like you can't call a foul after he hits the floor. If the shot falls, the penalty is more severe if you call it on the rebound. I've never once had a coach complain when I call this after the shot (not that this is the final arbiter of whether it's a good call, but the shooter is adequately protected if you call this a rebounding foul instead.)
That said, my eyes aren't so good. It's likely if his big toe is all that's touched before he gets hit; I didn't see the toe hit and I'm calling a shooting foul. However, I'm not waiting for him to "gather himself," or for both feet to land, before I release him of his airborne shooter status.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's not like you can't call a foul after he hits the floor. If the shot falls, the penalty is more severe if you call it on the rebound.

If the shot falls, it's not on the rebound, since there is no rebound, it's after the shot. Minor semantics issue.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

If the shot falls, it's not on the rebound, since there is no rebound, it's after the shot. Minor semantics issue.

Until the shot falls, the players are positioning themselves for a rebound. So, it's a rebound until the ball goes in. My whistle will most likely sound before the shot falls or ricochets, so there won't be a rebound either way.

Not going down without a fight.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

But does it define returning to the floor?

Are you serious? If any part of you is touching the floor, you're not airborne. That's just plain old common sense.

You're interpreting the rule completely wrong.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If any part of you is touching the floor, you're not airborne.

Is "touching" defined? Because if your feet are inside shoes, then you're not really touching the floor; only the shoes are touching the floor. I think we need a committee to do further research.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Is "touching" defined? Because if your feet are inside shoes, then you're not really touching the floor; only the shoes are touching the floor. I think we need a committee to do further research.

Shut up.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Is "touching" defined? Because if your feet are inside shoes, then you're not really touching the floor; only the shoes are touching the floor. I think we need a committee to do further research.

I nominate Mr. Spelling Guy, Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy, and Rainmaker (someone has to make the

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I nominate Mr. Spelling Guy, Mr. Annoying Grammar Guy, and Rainmaker (someone has to make the ???

Coffee?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Coffee?

Like I said earlier, I'll be glad to make the coffee. If I make it this time, I know for sure, you'll never ask me to make it again!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Coffee?

Alternate response: You're not afraid my response to this will be a little snippy?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Alternate response: You're not afraid my response to this will be a little snippy?

I was; that's why I counted on JR to finish for me.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

But does it define returning to the floor?

Here's the NCAA definition: Art. 2. An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try for goal until one foot has returned to the floor.