Girls High School BB (NY State)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

2005 IAABO Refresher Exam

73) Squad member #45 missed the bus and is not present at the time the squad list and starting lineup must be submitted for team members. During the pregame warm up, the referee counts eleven team members for team A, but while checking the book, team A has twelve team members listed. Referee informs the coach that the squad member who is not present may not be placed in the book, even if he/she will get to the game late. Is the referee correct?

73) Yes: Rule 3, Section 2, Article 1, Rule 4, Section 34, Article 4.

Almost every one in my local board got this question wrong. We disagreed with the answer and citation then, and we still disagree with the answer and citation. If I recall, we got some type of explanation involving the definition of a "team member" involving a squad member being ready and eligible to play.

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That interpretation is ridiculous. It would have to cover a player in the dressing room getting taped that wasn't out yet, a player laying down for a few minutes pre-game because they don't feel good, a player a little bit late but still arriving before game time and still getting dressed, etc. Basically, that ruling is saying that if you can't actually see the team member on the floor during the 10-minute pre-game period, then they don't exist and if they do come out later after the game starts, it would cost their team a "T" to get them into the game. There's no time limits listed anywhere in the rule that IAABO is trying to use for justification--rule 4-34-4. All that Article is saying that a substitute checking into the game must be in uniform and be eligible. And to be eligible, all that is required under R3-2-1 is that their name and number must be given to the scorer to be put in the scorebook at least 10 minutes before the starting time. No more, no less.

That ruling is just basically saying that it's not only mandatory for a player to participate somehow in the pre-game warm-up, but that they also must be on the court when the referee counts the players. It doesn't matter that a player might have came out and practised, and then went back into the dressing room for something. If they aren't on the floor when the R counts 'em, they don't exist. Try to find that one in the rules somewhere. Again, that's just stoopid.

From what I've heard, every year there are wrong interpretations given out on the IAABO exams anyway. Apparently, that wasn't the only wrong one in last year's exam.

I agree with your local Board, Billy. The answer to that question is "NO". There's no rule(s) anywhere in the book that will back up that answer.

Btw, I wrote that exam too, as a refresher last year. I counted my answer of "NO" on that question as being correct. There were other questions on that exam that IAABO also had to go back later and admit that their original answers were wrong too iirc.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

From what I've heard, every year there are wrong interpretations given out on the IAABO exams anyway.

This year's IAABO refresher exam had three questions that were "wrong" according to the original answer sheet. The answer sheet that is now on the IAABO Web site has the "correct" answers.

Interestingly, in each of the questions, the rules citation to support the answer is unchanged. Only the "result" (a Yes or No) changed.

As to the original query: my IAABO board interpreter has given us the same ruling. I too disagree with it. But...what I have not been told is that the player may not enter the game AT ALL. While I disagree with the interpretation of "team member" as being in uniform and at the site at the 10-minute mark, I completely disagree that a player who arrives late may not enter the game under any circumstances -- not even at the cost of a technical foul. The original post said the referee would not allow the player to enter the game at all. This is not supported by any rule that I can find.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

As to the original query: my IAABO board interpreter has given us the same ruling. I too disagree with it. But...what I have not been told is that the player may not enter the game AT ALL. While I disagree with the interpretation of "team member" as being in uniform and at the site at the 10-minute mark, I completely disagree that a player who arrives late may not enter the game under any circumstances -- not even at the cost of a technical foul. The original post said the referee would not allow the player to enter the game at all. This is not supported by any rule that I can find.

Where do these get come up with this stuff? Do they sit around during the day just trying to make up their own ridiculous rulings?