intentional foul

paulis · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 01:29am

A1 is intentionally fouled while attempting a three point shot. Shot does not go in. Rule for an intentional foul call for 2 shots and possession. Is A1 "penalized" and to receive just the 2 shots?

JRutledge · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 02:02am

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Originally posted by paulis
A1 is intentionally fouled while attempting a three point shot. Shot does not go in. Rule for an intentional foul call for 2 shots and possession. Is A1 "penalized" and to receive just the 2 shots?

Yes, A gets the ball back as well.

mick · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 08:04am

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Originally posted by paulis
A1 is intentionally fouled while attempting a three point shot. Shot does not go in. Rule for an intentional foul call for 2 shots and possession. Is A1 "penalized" and to receive just the 2 shots?

paulis,
Nope, A is not "penalized". If attempting a "three", Team A gets to take three free throws and the ball for a throw-in.
mick

BktBallRef · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 08:20am

mick is correct. If A1 is intentionally fouled during a 3 point attempt, A1 gets 3 FTs. BTW, whether the 3 point attempt goes in or not, A1 will get 3 FTs.

mick · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 08:33am

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mick is correct. If A1 is intentionally fouled during a 3 point attempt, A1 gets 3 FTs. BTW, whether the 3 point attempt goes in or not, A1 will get 3 FTs.

I didn't know that. I thought just two if successful.

paulis · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 10:21am

I dont see where this is covered in the rule book. Where does it say the shooter gets three shots if intentionally fouled while shooting a three pointer?

BktBallRef · #7 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 11:52am

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mick is correct. If A1 is intentionally fouled during a 3 point attempt, A1 gets 3 FTs. BTW, whether the 3 point attempt goes in or not, A1 will get 3 FTs.

I didn't know that. I thought just two if successful.

See if I ever agree with you again!

My mistake. I answered the post hurriedly this morning without considering what I was saying. If the 3 point attempt is successful, the shooter gets 2 FTs and the ball. If the shot is missed, he gets 3 FTs and the ball. It's explained, though not very well, in the Summary of Penalties for All Fouls. You don't penalize the shooter by only giving him 2 FTs on an unsuccessful 3 attempt.

Mark Padgett · #8 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 02:25pm

In the Summary of Penalties for All Fouls (love how the NF decided which words in that title should be caps) - it states that (4) "Two free throws if intentional or flagrant, plus ball for throw-in". This follows the point that states that they get additional free throws if fouled and the basket was successful, then it states (5b) "Three free throws on three-point try or tap" (yeah - a three point tap - that's fairly common). Then it states in the same section, "Plus ball for throw-in if intentional or flagrant." These two points follow the point on what to do if the shot is unsuccessful.

Therefore we surmise: intentional or flagrant on successful three point attempt, count bucket and give shooter two plus the ball / intentional or flagrant on unsuccessful three point attempt, give shooter three plus the ball.

JM_Italia · #9 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 03:00pm

FIBA rules state that one bonus free throw will be awarded on a succesful field goal attempt (2 or 3) and of course the bucket counts. And 2 or 3 free throws will be awarded when the field goal attempt is unsuccesful.

I'd take it FIBA rules differ on this point from let's say NCAA rules?

JM_Italia · #10 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 03:04pm

On a different note:

I had quite an experience this weekend, being rushed of to the hospital after being elbowed on the nose at the first jump ball. Thankfully it turned out not to be broken...

Mark Padgett · #11 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 04:58pm

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On a different note:

I had quite an experience this weekend, being rushed of to the hospital after being elbowed on the nose at the first jump ball. Thankfully it turned out not to be broken...

We're always taught not to have the whistle in our mouth when administering a jump. I guess I'll have to remember not to put it in my nose, too.

Seriously - glad to hear you are OK.

mick · #12 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 30, 2001, 05:49pm

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I guess I'll have to remember not to put it in my nose, too.

Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark ....

JM_Italia · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 01, 2001, 03:56pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark Padgett

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I guess I'll have to remember not to put it in my nose, too.

Seriously - glad to hear you are OK.

Would sure liked to have seen you administer a jump before this weekend...

Mark Padgett · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 01, 2001, 04:58pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JM_Italia

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I guess I'll have to remember not to put it in my nose, too.

Seriously - glad to hear you are OK.

Would sure liked to have seen you administer a jump before this weekend...

You guys sure are nosey.

Dave Brost · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 05, 2001, 06:34pm

As mentioned above, the Summary of Penalties for All Fouls covers this scenario piece by piece. In the 2001-2002 Case Book, look at 4.19.3 Situation A. I think this will cover this play to a tee. (Not a "T").