UT vs. UNC - NIT 3rd-place game

[eyezen]

Anyone see the flagrant intentional against UT?

Your thoughts.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Anyone see the flagrant intentional against UT?

Your thoughts.

Well, my first thought is that there's no such thing as a flagrant intentional foul under either NCAA or NFHS rules, whether the foul happens to be personal or technical. It can be a flagrant foul or it can be an intentional foul. Pick one.

[eyezen]

Fair enough...I saw the bones so I assumed intentional but was announced as a flagrant and the UT player was ejected.

Comments on whether the act was grounds for the flagrant.

From what i saw on TV I wasn't convinced it warranted ejection but I'm not the one working in MSG.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by eyezen

but I'm not the one working in MSG.

Not meaning to be punk or sound condescending but you are right. How are we to know what might have been said between the 2 players involved or what they did to each other previously. Alot goes into that type stuff.

[Scrapper1]

I just saw it this morning on SportsCenter. They only showed it once and at full speed. No replay. Both the C and L gave the intentional signal, then the announcer said he'd been given a flagrant and was done for the night.

From the one angle I saw, it didn't look flagrant to me. He definitely fouled him hard from behind while the shooter was in a vulnerable position. But it didn't look like he "struck" him or took him to the floor. (Maybe he did, and I just missed it on the video.)

I don't want to sound like I'm second-guessing the officials. I'm sure they had a good reason to toss him. I just didn't see it in the clip that ESPN showed.

[mj]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I just saw it this morning on SportsCenter. They only showed it once and at full speed. No replay. Both the C and L gave the intentional signal, then the announcer said he'd been given a flagrant and was done for the night.

From the one angle I saw, it didn't look flagrant to me. He definitely fouled him hard from behind while the shooter was in a vulnerable position. But it didn't look like he "struck" him or took him to the floor. (Maybe he did, and I just missed it on the video.)

I don't want to sound like I'm second-guessing the officials. I'm sure they had a good reason to toss him. I just didn't see it in the clip that ESPN showed.

One replay I saw, he yanked him to the floor by grabbing his shirt.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I just saw it this morning on SportsCenter. They only showed it once and at full speed. No replay. Both the C and L gave the intentional signal, then the announcer said he'd been given a flagrant and was done for the night.

From the one angle I saw, it didn't look flagrant to me. He definitely fouled him hard from behind while the shooter was in a vulnerable position. But it didn't look like he "struck" him or took him to the floor. (Maybe he did, and I just missed it on the video.)

I don't want to sound like I'm second-guessing the officials. I'm sure they had a good reason to toss him. I just didn't see it in the clip that ESPN showed.

Well crappy, I didn't see the game either but this year's book has what they call a *major concern for men*. Maybe this applies?

Major Concern for Men

Airborne Player/Excessive or Severe Contact. When a player is airborne attempting a lay-up, any excessive contact by an opponent shall be an intentional personal foul, even when the opponent is legitimately attempting to play either the ball or the player. When the contact is severe, a flagrant personal foul shall be assessed. The airborne player is in a position of vulnerability and any contact that is excessive or severe shall be penalized.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Alot goes into that type stuff.

Agreed, hence why I posted because I thought the play warranted discussion, it certainly would of if it happended at camp.

If you remember I was going from:

Originally Posted by eyezen

From what I saw on TV

[BktBallRef]

I had a playoff game and was traveling. But I recorded the game and will take a look later tonight.