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Old Fri Nov 24, 2006, 08:06pm
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UT vs. UNC - NIT 3rd-place game

Anyone see the flagrant intentional against UT?

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Old Fri Nov 24, 2006, 08:16pm
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Anyone see the flagrant intentional against UT?

Your thoughts.
Well, my first thought is that there's no such thing as a flagrant intentional foul under either NCAA or NFHS rules, whether the foul happens to be personal or technical. It can be a flagrant foul or it can be an intentional foul. Pick one.
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Old Fri Nov 24, 2006, 08:40pm
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Fair enough...I saw the bones so I assumed intentional but was announced as a flagrant and the UT player was ejected.

Comments on whether the act was grounds for the flagrant.

From what i saw on TV I wasn't convinced it warranted ejection but I'm not the one working in MSG.
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Old Sat Nov 25, 2006, 12:59am
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but I'm not the one working in MSG.
Not meaning to be punk or sound condescending but you are right. How are we to know what might have been said between the 2 players involved or what they did to each other previously. Alot goes into that type stuff.
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Old Sat Nov 25, 2006, 09:25am
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I just saw it this morning on SportsCenter. They only showed it once and at full speed. No replay. Both the C and L gave the intentional signal, then the announcer said he'd been given a flagrant and was done for the night.

From the one angle I saw, it didn't look flagrant to me. He definitely fouled him hard from behind while the shooter was in a vulnerable position. But it didn't look like he "struck" him or took him to the floor. (Maybe he did, and I just missed it on the video.)

I don't want to sound like I'm second-guessing the officials. I'm sure they had a good reason to toss him. I just didn't see it in the clip that ESPN showed.
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Old Sat Nov 25, 2006, 10:51am
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I just saw it this morning on SportsCenter. They only showed it once and at full speed. No replay. Both the C and L gave the intentional signal, then the announcer said he'd been given a flagrant and was done for the night.

From the one angle I saw, it didn't look flagrant to me. He definitely fouled him hard from behind while the shooter was in a vulnerable position. But it didn't look like he "struck" him or took him to the floor. (Maybe he did, and I just missed it on the video.)

I don't want to sound like I'm second-guessing the officials. I'm sure they had a good reason to toss him. I just didn't see it in the clip that ESPN showed.
One replay I saw, he yanked him to the floor by grabbing his shirt.
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Old Sat Nov 25, 2006, 11:13am
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One replay I saw, he yanked him to the floor by grabbing his shirt.
Good enough for me. Buh-bye!
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Old Sat Nov 25, 2006, 12:43pm
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Alot goes into that type stuff.
Agreed, hence why I posted because I thought the play warranted discussion, it certainly would of if it happended at camp.

If you remember I was going from:

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From what I saw on TV
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Old Sat Nov 25, 2006, 02:34pm
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I had a playoff game and was traveling. But I recorded the game and will take a look later tonight.
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Old Sun Nov 26, 2006, 04:02pm
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Watched the game today, fast forwarding through the commercials.

I don't think the initial contact was the issue. The fact that he pulled him down by the jersey and caused his head to hit the basket support is what got him ejected.
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Old Mon Nov 27, 2006, 10:51am
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The fact that he pulled him down by the jersey and caused his head to hit the basket support is what got him ejected.
I was watching and listening while exercising on the eliptical and a few minutes after the play the announcers mentioned (don't know if they were informed by the officials or were just giving their opinion) Hanborough's head hitting the support was a factor.
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I just saw it this morning on SportsCenter. They only showed it once and at full speed. No replay. Both the C and L gave the intentional signal, then the announcer said he'd been given a flagrant and was done for the night.

From the one angle I saw, it didn't look flagrant to me. He definitely fouled him hard from behind while the shooter was in a vulnerable position. But it didn't look like he "struck" him or took him to the floor. (Maybe he did, and I just missed it on the video.)

I don't want to sound like I'm second-guessing the officials. I'm sure they had a good reason to toss him. I just didn't see it in the clip that ESPN showed.
Well crappy, I didn't see the game either but this year's book has what they call a *major concern for men*. Maybe this applies?

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Airborne Player/Excessive or Severe Contact. When a player is airborne attempting a lay-up, any excessive contact by an opponent shall be an intentional personal foul, even when the opponent is legitimately attempting to play either the ball or the player. When the contact is severe, a flagrant personal foul shall be assessed. The airborne player is in a position of vulnerability and any contact that is excessive or severe shall be penalized.
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Old Mon Nov 27, 2006, 11:53pm
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I was watching and listening while exercising on the eliptical and a few minutes after the play the announcers mentioned (don't know if they were informed by the officials or were just giving their opinion) Hanborough's head hitting the support was a factor.


Isn't that what I said?
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Old Tue Nov 28, 2006, 06:49am
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Old Tue Nov 28, 2006, 09:01am
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Well crappy, I didn't see the game either but this year's book has what they call a *major concern for men*. Maybe this applies?
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Airborne Player/Excessive or Severe Contact. When a player is airborne attempting a lay-up, any excessive contact by an opponent shall be an intentional personal foul, even when the opponent is legitimately attempting to play either the ball or the player. When the contact is severe, a flagrant personal foul shall be assessed. The airborne player is in a position of vulnerability and any contact that is excessive or severe shall be penalized.
It absolutely applies, but it doesn't say that a hard foul from behind MUST be flagrant. It says if the contact is severe, it should be flagrant, otherwise intentional. And from the one angle I saw, with no replay, I said it didn't look severe. But I didn't see him get pulled down or his head hit the basket support. After hearing about the full extent of the contact, I agree with the officials totally. I was in no way trying to say that they blew the call.
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