IHSA NFHS Part I Stats

[tjones1]

Here are the stats for IL. I always enjoy looking at these and then going over the exam again. If at least 85% of the officials don't answer the question correctly, they flag those questions. This year there were 4 questions that at least 85% of the officials didn't answer correctly and only 1 question that was thrown out.

6) 84% got this correct. My thinking is they were probably thinking when a shot lodges between the backboard and the rim.

31) 83% got this correct. Not sure about this one.

67) 79% got this correct. Not sure about this one either.

68) 73% got this correct. Missed the idea of no time coming off the clock.

And, #89 was completely thrown out of the grading.


Anyways, looks like the requests for the exam and answers are probably over for another year.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by tjones1

6) 84% got this correct. My thinking is they were probably thinking when a shot lodges between the backboard and the rim.

31) 83% got this correct. Not sure about this one.

67) 79% got this correct. Not sure about this one either.

68) 73% got this correct. Missed the idea of no time coming off the clock.

Are you telling us how many got them correct? Or how many missed them?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Are you telling us how many got them correct? Or how many missed them?

Yes, the percentage is how many officials answered the question correctly. Anything under 85% they (IHSA) flag.

[lukealex]

What are these questions? Could make for some good discussion.

Post the questions now, then the answers in a week or so.

[JRutledge]

Alternating Possession

6) It is alternating-possession throw-in when A1's throw-in lodges on the basket support.

Free Throws

31) When the ball is bounced to the free thrower, it is at his or her disposal when released by the official.

Substitutions

67) A substitute who legally enters the game during a dead-ball period may not be withdrawn during the same dead-ball period.

68) A player who has been withdrawn may not re-enter before the next opportunity to substitute after the ball becomes live following his/her replacement.

Peace

[lukealex]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Alternating Possession

6) It is alternating-possession throw-in when A1's throw-in lodges on the basket support.

Basket support means OOB

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Free Throws

31) When the ball is bounced to the free thrower, it is at his or her disposal when released by the official.

I would say A1 must have the ball

Substitutions

67) A substitute who legally enters the game during a dead-ball period may not be withdrawn during the same dead-ball period.

Correct, substitute can be replaced.

68) A player who has been withdrawn may not re-enter before the next opportunity to substitute after the ball becomes live following his/her replacement.

True, time must run off clock before the player can re-enter the game.

Peace

If someone has rules references to prove or disprove me, please post

[tjones1]

This is the question they threw out.

89) On a jump ball, the clock starts when the ball is touched by a non-jumper.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by lukealex

Basket support means OOB

If someone has rules references to prove or disprove me, please post

You're disproved.

The basket support is in-bounds. The support holds up the basket ring. NFHS rule 1-11-1. If the ball lodges on the support during a throw-in, it's a violation as per rule 9-2-8, but it's not an OOB violation.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're disproved.

The basket support is in-bounds. The support holds up the basket ring. NFHS rule 2-11-1. If the ball lodges on the support during a throw-in, it's a violation as per rule 9-2-8, but it's not an OOB violation.

First, the basket is described in rule 1-10 & 1-11, not 2-11.
1-10-1: Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring.......its flange and braces...... The word support is not used.

1-11-1: .....basket ring shall be.....attached to the backboard/support system......

The supports are what hold up the backboard, are they not?

7-1-2 The ball is out of bounds when it touches..... c. the supports or back of the backboard.

9-2-8 does not use the word support.

[BayStateRef]

No. The basket support really is out of bounds.

1-9-2, 1-9-3 and 1-9-4 describe it.

The "flange" is the part that holds the rim to the backboard, and it is covered under 9-2-8.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're disproved.

The basket support is in-bounds. The support holds up the basket ring. NFHS rule 2-11-1. If the ball lodges on the support during a throw-in, it's a violation as per rule 9-2-8, but it's not an OOB violation.

I'm guessing lukealex was thinking about the actual supports, guy wires (gal wires?), etc., which are considered OOB.

If you see it hit them.

Within a certain amount of time.

Um...never mind.

From one turkey to another: Happy Thanksgiving!

[just another ref]

It is alternating-possession throw-in when A1's throw-in lodges on the basket support.

This an example of a deceptive or poorly worded question, is it not? Do the words "basket support" appear anywhere in any book? Yes, the flange and the braces "support" the "basket," but the word support is not used in the description. 1-10-1

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is alternating-possession throw-in when A1's throw-in lodges on the basket support.

That's completely wrong, as I stated before. Rule 9-2-8+ PENALTY says that it's a violation. The FED answer key sheet also shows the answer as being false, and references R9-2-8 as the reason for being so. It could be worded better but it ain't that hard to figure out what they're getting at.

Firther, even if the throw-in did hit a support behind the basket, you still could never have an AP either. That's a straight violation also, as per R9-2-2..

[lukealex]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I'm guessing lukealex was thinking about the actual supports, guy wires (gal wires?), etc., which are considered OOB.

If you see it hit them.

Within a certain amount of time.

Um...never mind.

From one turkey to another: Happy Thanksgiving!

I was thinking about the supports, braces, pipes, whatever the book specifies, but those are what I was thinking of.

Thank you, I stand corrected (sort of)

[just another ref]

Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref
It is alternating-possession throw-in when A1's throw-in lodges on the basket support.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That's completely wrong, as I stated before.

What's completely wrong? I copied the question.
Everyone agrees, I think, that this question is false. The next issue, which some of us seem to be confused about is exactly what a "basket support" is.
You said the basket support is in-bounds. I find nothing in the rule book that supports this statement.