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[Larks]

Originally Posted by BEAR42

This situation came up in a game I officiated last night.
Team "A" is to inbound the ball after a time out. Team "A" also wants to sub in a player. The official score keeper notices the sub's number is not in the score book (her name in, wrong number listed). We assess a technical for the wrong number. My question is , does Team "A" retain possession or does Team "B" be awarded the ball?
This was a girls varsity basketball game(HIGH SCHOOL)(UIL)

Did the sub actually become a player before this was brought to your attention?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Larks

Did the sub actually become a player before this was brought to your attention?

This was the question I had.

[BEAR42]

Sub did come in to play.

[BEAR42]

She had not been in the game prior to being substituted at this point.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Larks

Did the sub actually become a player before this was brought to your attention?

Given that the ball had yet to be inbounded by team A following the dead ball during which Team A attempted the substitution; I think it's safe to say they caught it in time to assess the T.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Given that the ball had yet to be inbounded by team A following the dead ball during which Team A attempted the substitution; I think it's safe to say they caught it in time to assess the T.

Are you saying if the player had been playing and the number was then found to be illegal, then the technical could not be called?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

Are you saying if the player had been playing and the number was then found to be illegal, then the technical could not be called?

yes -- this is something that has to be addressed when it happens -- once it happens its to late to penalize.

like when a team has 6 players on the court -- then you see one player go and sit down and now you count and say "hey there were 6" to late. you have to assess this when the penatly occurs. smart coach will call a timeout ASAP and get his players into a huddle asap and get it fixed.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

yes -- this is something that has to be addressed when it happens -- once it happens its to late to penalize.

like when a team has 6 players on the court -- then you see one player go and sit down and now you count and say "hey there were 6" to late. you have to assess this when the penatly occurs. smart coach will call a timeout ASAP and get his players into a huddle asap and get it fixed.

Incorrect. This is a book error, not an illegal number. It required a change in the book and is penalized as soon as it is discovered even if the player is already in the game.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Incorrect. This is a book error, not an illegal number. It required a change in the book and is penalized as soon as it is discovered even if the player is already in the game.

Case book play 3.2.2SitC.

[BEAR42]

The Player Had Not Been In The Game.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by BEAR42

The Player Had Not Been In The Game.

How about preventative officiating?

Ok - so a team member was not in the book? Did the ball become live? Was this team member beckoned onto the floor?

If your answers are no to all the above - Why not give the coach the option to withdraw the sub or take the T to get her in? JV and lower - thats how I'd handle it for sure.

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the the rule deal with players not being in the book. She's not a player until I beckon her on to the floor or the ball becomes live right?

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[Adam]

Larks, I might do this at JH level and below; if I thought of it. But I think by JV, we can reasonably expect the coaches to know what they're doing with the book.

[johnnyrao]

Originally Posted by Larks

How about preventative officiating?


Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the the rule deal with players not being in the book. She's not a player until I beckon her on to the floor or the ball becomes live right?

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That's correct. If the coach of team A realizes it and calls her back to the bench before she is beckoned then there is no penalty, but once she "legally enters the court" she is a player and the penalty is enforced.