This is a trick question? Why isn't the lead on top of this if its directly under the basket?

But if I have to make a call -- I've got a block here on B1 -- last I checked on the floor is not LGP. The question is do I count the basket and I think I'd have to see it to make a judgement.

But the offensive player clearly intentionally stepped on an opponent. I don't think I'm allowing that to happen. So I don't think the question of whether B1 had legal guarding position is relevant.

From the description, the player made a move to the basket stepping into their normal lay-up pattern, the only difference is in order to get to the basket, they had to pass through this player in an illegal guarding position.

Had this occurred outside the 3 point line and A2 turned around to go make sure they step on the player, yes I agree with you we've got an IF or FF. But on the way to the basket for a layup, I think the rules pretty clearly state we've got a block here.

Why not?

It would have been a block according to the AR if he fell down.

If a player with the ball pushed off a player beside him with an elbow, would you call a block too because the defender didn't have LGP?

Why not?

If A2 falls down, he's been put at a disadvantage. If A2 jumps off of the defender though, he's gaining an advantage.

I've been gone all day, so I haven't checked in till now.

JR -- I said T because of A2 using something to illegally get taller. Then I called it flagrant because it was an opponent. I thought about live-ball contact, but the contact wasn't the basis for the technical. I'd be fine with a flagrant personal, though. Either way, the kid sits...

Dan -- I don't do NCAA, so I don't need to fully understand your citations, but I'm curious. I don't think that the illegal position of B1 is at issue. If A2 tripped, I'd see this as a block by the NCAA rules. But if A2 deliberately reaches his foot out and steps on B1, I don't see how you could penalize for a block. It's gotta be a foul on A2, even if it's not PC or charge. It's just flagrant, isn't it?

Maybe, maybe not.

I notice you didn't say A2 gained an illegal advantage.

Fed or ncaa rule please?
Why?

Juulie, as per NFHS rule 10-3-7(d), you can only call a technical foul if they climb on a <b>teammate</b>. The rule doesn't apply to climbing on an <b>opponent</b>. Illegal contact with an <b>opponent</b> during a live ball is covered under "personal foul" in rule 4-19-1.

That was my point.

PS- the NCAA rule reads exactly the same way iirc.

I noticed that you haven't answered my question yet either as to whether it would be traveling if A2 picked up his pivot foot, and then brought it down on B2 and then jumped off of B2.

Can't get nuthin by you. You're right, I didn't answer it. But that aint what happened. Now go start your own thread, m'kay?

Can't get nuthin' by you. You're right. I didn't say it. :D

Can't get nuthin' by none of us! :D

(what's the question again?)

Where's Chuck?