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Gimlet25id Thu Nov 09, 2006 01:03pm
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Originally Posted by TheSlav
:D sign the kid up for volleyball. :D
Right on!!!

OHBBREF Thu Nov 09, 2006 01:40pm
I can see arguements for either way - and I think you could explain it either way and have it come out okay but I will see if I can get official answers to the question.

BigToe Thu Nov 09, 2006 05:15pm
I am probably showing my ignorance here but how is this situation different from A1 (jumper) tapping the jump ball out of bounds? Except for that fact that it is now a dead ball, how is possession arrow determined now? Is it once the official hands the ball to the thrower or after the team gains control inbounds?

Dan_ref Thu Nov 09, 2006 05:51pm
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Originally Posted by BigToe
I am probably showing my ignorance here but how is this situation different from A1 (jumper) tapping the jump ball out of bounds? Except for that fact that it is now a dead ball, how is possession arrow determined now? Is it once the official hands the ball to the thrower or after the team gains control inbounds?
Nevada came up with a great play that isn't covered in the rules.

The rules cover what to do to start the alternating possession arrow on fouls, violations and even on jump balls that end in the old fashioned normal style. What is not covered is what to do when the jumper puts the ball into the basket off the jump.

btw...are we sure he tipped it & didn't punch it?? That's my answer...punched ball violation, wipe out the 3 pts, B's ball, A's arrow :p

agr8zebra Thu Nov 09, 2006 06:03pm
A try for goal

A player is trying for a goal when the player has the ball and in the official's judgment is throwing or attempting to throw for a goal.

On a jump ball does the player have the ball as in "the player has the ball"
and
Do you really think he attempting to throw the ball...

or is he aimlessly just batting the ball
and
if he is struck on the arm during the jumpball are you going to call a foul. Maybe even contract with the hips or other part of the body

Food for thought...

Scrapper1 Thu Nov 09, 2006 06:42pm
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Originally Posted by agr8zebra
A try for goal

Food for thought...
Are you pointing out that the batted ball is not a try? I'll agree with you there. But (and I'm sorry if this sounds rude) so what? Are you saying that it is a 2-point goal and not a 3-point goal? I think it would be 3 anyway, as somebody (maybe Bob J?) pointed out above.

Nevadaref Thu Nov 09, 2006 08:22pm
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Originally Posted by agr8zebra
A try for goal

A player is trying for a goal when the player has the ball and in the official's judgment is throwing or attempting to throw for a goal.

On a jump ball does the player have the ball as in "the player has the ball"
and
Do you really think he attempting to throw the ball...

or is he aimlessly just batting the ball
and
if he is struck on the arm during the jumpball are you going to call a foul. Maybe even contract with the hips or other part of the body

Food for thought...
4-41-5 . . . A tap for goal is the contacting of the ball with any part of a player's hand(s) in an attempt to direct the ball into his/her basket.

5-2-1 . . . A successful try, tap or thrown ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team's own 19-foot, 9-inch arc counts three points. A ball that touches the floor, a teammate inside the arc, an official, or any other goal from the field counts two points for the team into whose basket the ball is thrown.

;)

OHBBREF Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:28am
this has to be a two point goal because there is not shot attempt involved here.

tjones1 Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:34am
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Originally Posted by OHBBREF
this has to be a two point goal because there is not shot attempt involved here.
Reference, please? ;)

Jurassic Referee Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:37am
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Originally Posted by OHBBREF
this has to be a two point goal because there is not shot attempt involved here.
It's a judgement call as to whether it's a tap or a bat.

tjones1 Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:43am
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
It's a judgement call as to whether it's a tap or a bat.
True, but, if this happens...I'm giving him/her 3. You gotta throw them a bone just for pulling it off. ;)

Jurassic Referee Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:50am
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Originally Posted by tjones1
True, but, if this happens...I'm giving him/her 3. You gotta throw them a bone just for pulling it off. ;)
Tanner, there would be nowayinhell I would ever call that one a "bat". He <b>deserves</b> three.:D

OHBBREF Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:51am
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
It's a judgement call as to whether it's a tap or a bat.
I have great respect for your opinion
but where is the judgment here?

It is a Jump ball it is a bat

Jurassic Referee Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:00am
Quote:
Originally Posted by OHBBREF
I have great respect for your opinion
but where is the judgment here?

It is a Jump ball it is a bat
Rules citation to back that statement up?

Jimgolf Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:33am
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Rules citation to back that statement up?
Would 6-3-7-c apply?
"ART. 7 . . . Neither jumper shall: ... c. Catch the jump ball."


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