no airborne shooter
 

Ok college guys, I'm working a college men's JV game tonight and I see that one of the differences between HS and Men's is that Men's has no airborne shooter. Can you give me some examples of how this changes the way some plays should be called? I'm just having a hard time envisioning the ramifications at the moment. Thanks.

A1 jumps, releases shot, charges into B1. Count the basket, B1 shoots 1-and-1 if in the bonus.

Ok, that makes sense. This is where you get a PC foul that doesn't wipe off the basket. If the PC foul happens before the shot, you do not count the basket, but if the contact happens after the shot, you do count the basket, correct? Thanks, I should have been able to figure that out.

It's not a player control foul at all because the shooter has already released the ball, so no more player control. At that point, the contact becomes a pushing foul with no team control, just like a rebounding foul.

Got it, I'm doing 3 things at once here. Thanks for answering my multi-tasking moronic questions.:D

Be careful here, there IS an airborne shooter "rule" (definition) under ncaa-m.

What there is in the ncaa rules is an extension of the PC foul definition to include both a player with the ball (airborne or not) and an airborne shooter for women, just as in fed rules. For ncaa-m a PC foul only occurs when a player has control of the ball.

Thanks Dan. I was going off the rules differences stated in the NFHS rulesbook. I did look at the NCAA rulesbook online last season, but since then I have misplaced the web address. You don't happen to have it do you?

here you go...
 

Thanks, I looked around but didn't find it.

As Dan said there is an airborne shooter rule in NCAA mens. It is just different. The definition of a player control foul does NOT include the airborne shooter. However, if the shooter is fouled before he returns to the floor after releasing the ball on a try for goal, he is still in the act of shooting and is awarded FTs.

You can say they have an airborne shooter rule, but in all the NCAA literature, they consider that there is not airborne shooter rule in Men's basketball. The only part of the airborne shooter rule that applies to NCAA Men's is the shooter being fouled before they come to the floor. So factually speaking, there is no airborne shooter rule in Men's basketball, but there is in Women's basketball. I know this is semantics, but I will trust how the NCAA form considers what there rules say or do not say.

Peace

errr...what about ncaa rule 4.1?

Isn't it part of the ncaa literature?
I'm pretty sure there's no specific reference to ncaa-w or ncaa-m in there. It's just ncaa.

Appedendix V (page 187 of the NCAA rulebook)

MAJOR RULES DIFFERENCES

Item: Airborne shooter

NFHS: In air after release of try or tap

NCAA: Men--No Rule
Women---Same as NFHS

Says it all for me. ;)

Peace

You are da man!

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So you're saying this does not apply to ncaa-m? It's a women's only interp? On the men's side this player is no longer in the act of shooting & doesn't get his FT?

A.R. 67. A1 is in the air on a jump shot in the lane. A1 releases the ball on a try and is fouled by B1, who has jumped in an unsuccessful attempt to block the shot. A1’s try is: (a) successful; or (b) unsuccessful. RULING: A1 shall be an airborne shooter when the ball is released until he or she returns with one foot touching the floor. An airborne shooter shall be in the act of shooting. B1 has fouled A1 in the act of shooting. A1 shall be awarded one free throw in (a), and two in (b).

Also, from the NCAA rulebook: Rule 4, Section 1, Airborne shooter:

The part that is "women only" is that for women, the definition of a player control foul includes a foul by an airborne shooter; while for the men, the definition of player control foul does NOT include a foul by an airborne shooter. Rule 4, Section 26 Foul

So there is an airborne shooter rule and definition. It is part of the player control foul rule for women, not for men. The little chart says "no rule" for brevity, but shouldn't be taken literally.

Exactly. <b> </b>

The reason I say and will continue to say there is no airborne shooter rule in NCAA Men's basketball is because all the parts of the rule do not apply. The airborne shooter rule is about all aspects of the rule, not just one part. Now we are talking about total semantics and it does not matter what you I say the rule is or what the rule is not or what you say the rule is or what the rule is not. I say this because I would not want people to think who mostly work NF ball that the rule applies the same way.

Peace

Yeah well that's why i'm being such a pain on this issue. I understand what you're saying, but...

The airborne player rule applies exactly the same way under nfhs, ncaa-m and ncaa-w.

What is different is the PC foul rule.

I don't know how you can say that when I just posted the Airborne Shooter rule. There is an airborne shooter rule. It's undeniable. It's right there in 1000000 pixels. It's like you're denying that the sky is blue because it's nighttime in India. :confused:

If the shooter releases the ball and then crashes into a defender that (airborne shooter in NF and NCAA Women's code) has established LGP, then you cannot have a PC foul. The basket would count if it goes. And the defender would shoot FTs if the team was in the bonus.

The only part that is the same is if the shooter is fouled before they hit the ground you could have a shooting foul on the defense.

That sounds different to me. ;)

Peace

Sure it's different. That's what I keep saying. It's different exactly because the foul is penalized differently.

What is the same is under fed, ncaa-m and ncaa-w is that an airborne shooter committed the foul under each set of rules. See? Airborne shooter applies to all 3 rule sets. ncaa-m handles the foul on the airborne shooter differently.

(I dont know how many more times I can say the same thing, so I'll bail out here.)

Dan,

Whatever helps you understand the rule is fine with me. I just do not agree with that there is a rule when two parts of the rule do not apply.

(I also do not know how many times I can say the same thing) :D

Peace

I've never understood why the NCAA says they don't have an airborne shooter rule--as JRut says correctly, but then listed a rule for airborne shooters under 4.1.

After reading this thread I understand it for the first time-and how to apply it when a shooter, in the air charges into a defender under NCAA rules, Thanks.