eofficials.com

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

1. Philosophy on fouls.
2. Videos on plays and situations (the rules are often the same)

Juulie, the best officials I work with at the HS level are officials that have some college experience. Usually HS only officials tend to be very complacent with their knowledge, ability and mechanics. If they did something 20 years ago, they are less likely to evolve and change with the times. In my area we literally have many D1 officials in many sports and the things they teach the rest how to handle situations. Of course rules are different and trying to figure out the rules can be a challenge, but officiating is much more than rules. Also many of the mechanics and rules used at the college levels tend to come down to the HS level (table side after fouls, team control fouls and signal, running out of bounds violation). I highly disagree that someone that only works HS cannot get something from that site. If that was the case, then you should never buy any officiating resource, considering that most of the people that produce that kind of content have college and pro experience. That would also include the NF content and books as well.

Peace

These things are just plain not true in Oregon. It may be that someone who wlrks only HS could get something from eofficials, but I can't see what it is that couldn't be gotten elsewhere. I didn't say that people with some college experience don't have anything to offer. I just don't see anything on that site that I can't get somewhere else. I don't see that it's worth the time and effort. And they don't even have a way for HS only officials to register, since there "Check affiliations" doesn' have a box for NFHS.

Around here there are many very good HS only officials, who learn and change and improve every year. It's a competitive area, and not the refuge of the incapable. In my own situation, because of my son's health, and other commitments I've made to my church and my family, I will never be able to travel and "get away" to do the college thing. If I have people locally who can tell me the best interp to use for HS, and if I can continue to be the best among high school officials here, why listen to what college officials from Georgia have to say? I'll just have to check that against what my own assignor and coaches here want.

If it's good for you, fine. I'm not knocking the site. Just saying that I doubt it's going to do me any good.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

And they don't even have a way for HS only officials to register, since there "Check affiliations" doesn't have a box for NFHS.

Yes, they do. Go to the home page, click on either NCAA or NFHS under Affiliates...on the next page, on the left-hand side, there's a free registration under LOG IN for anyone that will get you into both the NCAA and NFHS areas.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes, they do. Go to the home page, click on either NCAA or NFHS under Affiliates...on the next page, on the left-hand side, there's a free registration under LOG IN for anyone that will get you into both the NCAA and NFHS areas.

I can't find it. I go to the home page, on the left, under Affiliates Area, I click on NFHS. It gives me another page. I click on Login, can't log in because I;'m not registered. Okay, I click on Register Now, I get a form to fill out. In the third section down, it says "Affiliations: Please indicate all affiliations for which you are a member." And there is a box for NCAA which is checked automatically, and there is no other box.

Are you saying I should check the NCAA box, and then the NFHS stuff will come up later? That seems a little disingenuous.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Are you saying I should check the NCAA box, and then the NFHS stuff will come up later? That seems a little disingenuous.

That will get you registered. After you're registered, log in and set your computer to remember your password, etc. There presently isn't much in the NFHS area, but there is quite a lot of useful stuff in the NCAA area that relates directly to the high school game- the traveling/palming/etc. videos for instance.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That will get you registered. After you're registered, log in and set your computer to remember your password, etc. There presently isn't much in the NFHS area, but there is quite a lot of useful stuff in the NCAA area that relates directly to the high school game- the traveling/palming/etc. videos for instance.

Okay, well, that seems reasonable. I guess. I just feel a little talked down to when they don't even give someone the option to register as an NFHS official. And, again, the interps are all NCAA. I don't know. It just bugs me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Okay, well, that seems reasonable. I guess. I just feel a little talked down to when they don't even give someone the option to register as an NFHS official. And, again, the interps are all NCAA. I don't know. It just bugs me.

They're not talking down. It's just basically an NCAA oriented site. And...quite a bit of the stuff that they have on the NCAA side is directly relevant to the NFHS anyway. There's all kinds of similar rules.

It's very worthwhile imo to check in regularly there.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Okay, well, that seems reasonable. I guess. I just feel a little talked down to when they don't even give someone the option to register as an NFHS official. And, again, the interps are all NCAA. I don't know. It just bugs me.

Shouldn't you at some point remind us that you are paid to write articles for the pay side of this particular officiating web site? You know, full disclosure and all that...

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Shouldn't you at some point remind us that you are paid to write articles for the pay side of this particular officiating web site? You know, full disclosure and all that...

Here's a quarter. . .



Now shut up.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Shouldn't you at some point remind us that you are paid to write articles for the pay side of this particular officiating web site? You know, full disclosure and all that...

It's true, I do get paid to write for this site, but that's not why I'm feeling critical. It just bugs me that they say they're for everyone, but I can't even register without pretending I'm something that I'm not.

But I don't think y'all are understanding my posts very well. I don't think there's anything wrong with eofficials, and I'm not saying it's not worth looking at. I just don't think it's for everyone. It's certainly not "the greatest contribution to officiating in the last 10 years." That kind of over-kill just gets my dander up.

'Nuf said. I'll go be grouchy by myself now...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Are you saying I should check the NCAA box, and then the NFHS stuff will come up later? That seems a little disingenuous.

That's what I did and I got in. Here's a list of the videos. Best played after downloading rather than through the web.

2006-07 Video Library
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 1 - Introduction
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 2 - Palming
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 3 - Post Play Part 1
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 4 - Post Play Part 2
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 5 - Players moving w/o the ball
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 6 - Handchecking
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 7 - Screening
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 8 - New rule interpretations
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 9 - Traveling
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 10 - You call it Part 1
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 11 - You call it Part 2
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 12 - Closing

[Red_Killian]

Last year the site also put out video bulletins throughout the season. I think the Women's side was better than the Men's and had updates roughly every 2 weeks. The videos were sometimes geared for NCAA interps but also contained a lot of useful general purpose topics definitely applicable to the HS level.

[All_Heart]

When I clicked on the NFHS part it didn't bring anything up. Is there anything in this part or is it just not available right now?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

When I clicked on the NFHS part it didn't bring anything up. Is there anything in this part or is it just not available right now?

Nothing really there yet.

A lot of the NCAA stuff is valid for high school ball though-- traveling, palming, etc.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

These things are just plain not true in Oregon. It may be that someone who wlrks only HS could get something from eofficials, but I can't see what it is that couldn't be gotten elsewhere. I didn't say that people with some college experience don't have anything to offer. I just don't see anything on that site that I can't get somewhere else. I don't see that it's worth the time and effort. And they don't even have a way for HS only officials to register, since there "Check affiliations" doesn' have a box for NFHS.

Considering that the NF does a very poor job of showing video tape, breaking down rules and showing very detailed philosophies on certain aspects of the game. There is a PDF file on how to call post play in great detail. The NF never addresses these kinds of things other than using language and not giving specific examples to what you can actually see or visualize. The only source that the NF uses that comes close is their S & I Rulebook and that only goes so far.

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Around here there are many very good HS only officials, who learn and change and improve every year. It's a competitive area, and not the refuge of the incapable. In my own situation, because of my son's health, and other commitments I've made to my church and my family, I will never be able to travel and "get away" to do the college thing. If I have people locally who can tell me the best interp to use for HS, and if I can continue to be the best among high school officials here, why listen to what college officials from Georgia have to say? I'll just have to check that against what my own assignor and coaches here want.

I think you missed my point. College officials in order to maintain their status have to attend clinics and require extensive training to keep their slots. That is not the case across the country. Part of the reason I know, is our state is considered on the cutting edge of training across the country because we are using tools that no other state is using. We are using videos, PowerPoint and sports specific materials that go a lot further than what the NF does.

Originally Posted by rainmaker

If it's good for you, fine. I'm not knocking the site. Just saying that I doubt it's going to do me any good.

I respect that you will not get much out of it, but that does not mean that HS officials would not get something out of it. Just because I get something out of it does not mean everyone here or across the country will get something out of it either. I just think you are taking such a narrow focus to training and education that applies to all levels.

Peace