The Superintendent Husband

[Junker]

My point of view, first of all, it's an 8th grade game. As long as the coach is up coaching and not being a butt, I don't have a huge problem with him. I would definitely NOT stop the game to sit him down unless I did it with a T. In this situation, I would take a second and tell the HC that I understand his assistant is coaching, but we need him on the bench. If he continues to get up, use the whistle and sit him down. Another thing to remember is that this is an 8th grade assistant. This is not the more professional coach you get at higher levels. He probably just got excited and wasn't thinking. Try to talk your way out of it if you can. Now, if an assistant at any level stands up to complain, whack them on site.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Junker

My point of view, first of all, it's an 8th grade game. As long as the coach is up coaching and not being a butt, I don't have a huge problem with him. I would definitely NOT stop the game to sit him down unless I did it with a T. In this situation, I would take a second and tell the HC that I understand his assistant is coaching, but we need him on the bench. If he continues to get up, use the whistle and sit him down. Another thing to remember is that this is an 8th grade assistant. This is not the more professional coach you get at higher levels. He probably just got excited and wasn't thinking. Try to talk your way out of it if you can. Now, if an assistant at any level stands up to complain, whack them on site.

It's an 8th grade game so you aren't going to enforce the bench rule, that is stupid. So when the next referee has him and he tells him to sit down he will say Junker let me stand up! It is against the rules in a 1st grade game and a HS game, enforce the rule.

[Junker]

It's not stupid and I didn't say don't enforce bench decorum. What I said was he stood to coach. Remind him to sit and move on. It's 8th grade and those players need to be coached. They are learning to play the game. If you read carefully I stated that if he's up complaining, take care of business immediately. To officiate well I think you have to develop game managment skills. If you are out there T'ing up an 8th grade assistant for trying to teach his players without asking him to sit first, you are going to be on that 8th grade game for quite some time.

[Chess Ref]

I like this thread. The issue of bench management. At Assoc. meetings we get the spiel from the Varsity refs about enforcing the "box". Lots of time spent on it. Us newer officials need to take charge of the benches and learn game management skills. Yada, yada,yada. I always hang round after my games and watch the Varsity guys. 85% have NO control of the box/benches. I have seen it all. Coaches rolling on the floor,on their knees begging for calls, running onn the court during a time out to yell at the ref. Basically everything up to and including doing a Linda Blair in public. And little if nothing is done about it. Rant off....
So last year I started working on communicating better and ENFORCING the box rules more consistently. Lo and behold my games were better played and my perception was they were more manageble. And ironically the better I communicated and ENFORCED the box rules the higher my ratings were. The varsity refs were like living vicariously through me.
***'t coaches get no leeway from me. I read somewher on this board they are to be considered the van driver. Seen and not heard.

I will admit that I Had 1 ***'t coach solve major head coach problem for me. The head coach was on the way out the door-1 T already and it was my early season generoisty that kept him from a 2nd. ***'t intervened asked me to give him 1 minute before allowing the coach to get himself Teed a 2 nd time. I did and didn't hear a peep from either one the rest of the night.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Junker

It's not stupid and I didn't say don't enforce bench decorum. What I said was he stood to coach. Remind him to sit and move on. It's 8th grade and those players need to be coached. They are learning to play the game. If you read carefully I stated that if he's up complaining, take care of business immediately. To officiate well I think you have to develop game managment skills. If you are out there T'ing up an 8th grade assistant for trying to teach his players without asking him to sit first, you are going to be on that 8th grade game for quite some time.

Junker this is what you wrote: My point of view, first of all, it's an 8th grade game. As long as the coach is up coaching and not being a butt, I don't have a huge problem with him.

It doesn't matter if he is coaching or complaining, he should be sitting.

[Junker]

Agreed, he needs to be on the bench. I must have been unclear. If he's up coaching his players, I'll ask the HC to get him on the bench. If he's up complaining, I'll sit him down with a T. Assistants are there to coach and as an esteemed forum member always states, we have to talk to Batman, but not Robin. My main point was that I would never stop the game to give a warning in a situation like this.

[deecee]

tome I hardly ever have any issues in my high school games. i make my line known clear and early. I think the 5 T's ive called in 4 years is a lot. I mean a T should be earned and most Ts can be avoided with preventative officiating.

you make a tough call and you know its tough and the last 3 similarly tough calls all went against the same coach -- well i report and I stay away from him -- why? because experience has taught me HE WILL BE man and if he wants to say something to me he will have to say it loud enough where its not just him and me that hear it.

There are some magic comments and words that will get them rung up asap but once again I have something working for me that helps -- size -- I dont intimidate but a lot of coaches are about half a foot to a foot shorter -- IMO it helps a lot when you are taller -- other reasons too.

[Jimgolf]

If you are officiating an eighth-grade game early in the season, be aware that you may run into inexpereinced coaches. A short meeting before the game to establish the ground rules is wise here, especially if you don't know the coaches involved. "I see you have two coaches on the bench. Who is the head coach? Ok, remember that you're the only one permitted to stand during the game according to the rules," etc.

Be prepared and you won't be surprised.

As far as the super-intendent question by the AD, I would have asked the AD why he had coaches that don't know the rule book. I guess I wouldn't be working there again, LOL.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by deecee

...most Ts can be avoided with preventative officiating.

My BS flag is flying higher than ever! You know why this is BS? Because the T's I call don't have anything to do with something that I can prevent. What am I supposed to do to prevent unsporting behavior? Someone said something (in this thread or another) about a coach being on his knees or running out on to the floor. What do you do to prevent that? What do I do to prevent a kid from saying my partner's call is BS? If the assistant mentioned got up and complained to the official, what could be done to prevent that from happening?

I have got to be misunderstanding you. Yep, that's it, I don't understand what you are saying.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Junker

Agreed, he needs to be on the bench. I must have been unclear. If he's up coaching his players, I'll ask the HC to get him on the bench. If he's up complaining, I'll sit him down with a T. Assistants are there to coach and as an esteemed forum member always states, we have to talk to Batman, but not Robin. My main point was that I would never stop the game to give a warning in a situation like this.

I do agree with you here, you made it clear for me.

[truerookie]

All who replied,
Thanks for the vast knowledge given on this subject. At no time, I said the way I handle the situation was ideal. I had a situation and I handle it based on the level of experience I have. I now have additional tools in which I can use in my officiating toolbox. I wanted to share a situation I encountered with fellow officials.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Junker this is what you wrote: My point of view, first of all, it's an 8th grade game. As long as the coach is up coaching and not being a butt, I don't have a huge problem with him.

It doesn't matter if he is coaching or complaining, he should be sitting.

If you read the rest of that same post, his position becomes more clear. By truncating his remarks, you've changed his meaning.

Junker, you were clear.