End of blowout antics
Had a game last night which was a 40+ point blowout. Losing team started to get physical at the end of the game. We called EVERYTHING but to no avail.
Question is this: B1 ran at and tried to deliberately push A1. My partner told me this after the game and we debated on what to call. I believe a T would be the answer since no contract was made while the ball was live. Comments? |
He tried to push him but completely missed him and made no contact?
Nothing. If he's that inept, he doesn't earn a T. Just tell him to knock it off. |
Can you give more detail?
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Well if he had pushed him...flagrant and gone in my book.
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If it was deliberate, a warning then if actions persisted a T? |
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No contact----> technical foul for an un unsporting act. You should never allow a player to get away with an act like that. A warning is the same as just letting 'em skate imo. And....if you warn one player for doing something like that, then you had better be prepared to warn </b>every</b> player in that game for similar acts. You gotta be consistent. I'll guarantee you though that if you're warning everybody, you're gonna have something additional to a push occurring sometime....like a retaliation of some kind. Nip it, nip it in the bud! |
Warnings And ????
How effective are warnings ? In my short experience in the officiating world I would say other than the 3 seconds in the key warning, most warnings end up having to be further addressed.
Also where in the rulebook is the "coach you need to sub out this player ?" mechanic. Player acting the fool deal with it. I know , I know preventative officiating but is my thinking off in that I don't care if they act stupid-I address it according to the rulebook. Really if the coach doesn't know or can't see a player is out of control the next 3 quick tweets will help him come to that conclusion.... I like the nip in the bud and nip it early thinking.... |
Blowouts are hard. The team getting blown out can eventually begin to feel that they have nothing more to lose and don't care any more. It's good that you and your partner were aware of the sitch and were calling it tight. As for the attempted push, this is an obvious escalation and, I think, must be handled. Nothing good will come of you letting 'em skate, as JR put it. One, or more, of three things could very easily happen if you don't call the T:
I have a related question for the brain trust: At what point would you consider forfeiting a blowout that had gotten, or was getting, out of control? |
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A1 runs at B1 & then pushes her? And you want to warn A1? That's an immediate flagrant. |
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She was unsuccessful in making contact. For me to call the attempt unsporting, it would have to have been REALLY, REALLY bad and obvious what she was doing. I think I'd talk to her, a captain, or a coach to try to get her calmed down or on the bench. |
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A1's getting tossed. We've already progressed to REALLY, REALLY bad and obvious. When A1 rushes B1 we're no longer refereeing a basketball game. btw..take a good look at the fighting rule. |
I agree that this player is not trying to be a basketball player, but are you sure you could sell intent to the coach or your assignor. This situation makes me think of the classic coaches line (I think it was Jimmy V) about "can you T me up for what I'm thinking, I think you suck". Tossing a player for this might be opening a can of worms you don't want to open. Trust me in saying that I enforce sportsmanship as much as anyone, but I would be more prone to try to manage this situation without an ejection.
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Dan,
Do you have a rules book handy to post the part about fighting you're referencing? I'm at work and have my football gear with me, but not my basketball stuff. I'd like to see where you're coming from. |
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