AP or POI?

[JohnBark]

was having a discussion last night with another official. and we couldn't agree on what should happen. if you have a double foul that occurred during a FG attempt and the attempt was no good, you go with the AP, right? because their was no team control and the basketball was no good.

and if it is good you go with POI, right? because the ball is still live during the FG attempt even though the whistle was blown, the ball isn't dead until the attempt has ended.

right?

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

was having a discussion last night with another official. and we couldn't agree on what should happen. if you have a double foul that occurred during a FG attempt and the attempt was no good, you go with the AP, right? because their was no team control and the basketball was no good.

and if it is good you go with POI, right? because the ball is still live during the FG attempt even though the whistle was blown, the ball isn't dead until the attempt has ended.

right?

You got it right. Rule 4-36.

Z

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

if you have a double foul that occurred during a FG attempt and the attempt was no good, you go with the AP, right?

and if it is good you go with POI, right?

Just a minor point here. After a double foul, you always go to the POI. Sometimes the POI is the AP arrow, and sometimes the POI is a non-AP throw-in. (And sometimes, the POI is a FT.)

Don't get caught up in a false distinction. All double fouls and simultaneous fouls now go to the POI. To know exactly what the POI is in each case, refer to 4-36 in the FED ('05-'06) book. The reference may change in the new book this year. And I don't have my NCAA book in front of me, sorry.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

To know exactly what the POI is in each case, refer to 4-36 in the FED ('05-'06) book. The reference may change in the new book this year.

Still the same reference in this year's rule book...

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Just a minor point here. After a double foul, you always go to the POI. Sometimes the POI is the AP arrow, and sometimes the POI is a non-AP throw-in. (And sometimes, the POI is a FT.)

Don't get caught up in a false distinction. All double fouls and simultaneous fouls now go to the POI. To know exactly what the POI is in each case, refer to 4-36 in the FED ('05-'06) book. The reference may change in the new book this year. And I don't have my NCAA book in front of me, sorry.

Chuck, thanks for pointing that out. I believe that's where I was getting confused. Many thanks!

[ChuckElias]

John, your location says "Arctic Circle". How much basketball is played at the Arctic Circle?

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

John, your location says "Arctic Circle". How much basketball is played at the Arctic Circle?

if we can keep the ball from freezing up, you can usually play quite a bit. but, you have to watch out for cracks in the ice foes as you can occasionally get a little wet!

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

because their was no team control and the basketball was no good.

Originally Posted by JohnBark

if we can keep the ball from freezing up, you can usually play quite a bit.

So that's why the basketball was no good!

Just kidding. BTW, I started reading "Eagle Blue" about the Fort Yukon basketball team - should I look for you in any of the games?

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

So that's why the basketball was no good!

Just kidding. BTW, I started reading "Eagle Blue" about the Fort Yukon basketball team - should I look for you in any of the games?

Well I haven't been assigned to those games yet. But, you never know.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Just a minor point here. After a double foul, you always go to the POI. Sometimes the POI is the AP arrow, and sometimes the POI is a non-AP throw-in. (And sometimes, the POI is a FT.)

Don't get caught up in a false distinction. All double fouls and simultaneous fouls now go to the POI. To know exactly what the POI is in each case, refer to 4-36 in the FED ('05-'06) book. The reference may change in the new book this year. And I don't have my NCAA book in front of me, sorry.

Chuck, I'm having a hard time picturing this. Can you give me an example of where POI for a double foul is a free throw?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Chuck, I'm having a hard time picturing this. Can you give me an example of where POI for a double foul is a free throw?

How about this:

First free throw of a one-and-one, shot is released, A2 and B2 get overly-rambunctious on positioning and get whistled, and free throw goes in. Report double foul, POI would be the second free throw.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Chuck, I'm having a hard time picturing this. Can you give me an example of where POI for a double foul is a free throw?

A1 is fouled on his shot & is entitled to 2 FTs

A2 & B2 exchange unpeasantries, resulting in a double T.

POI is A1's first FT.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

A2 & B2 exchange unpeasantries

If you're an "unpeasant", does that make you an elitist prick?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

If you're an "unpeasant", does that make you an elitist prick?

Not necessarily, you could just be a middle-class slob.

But I suppose if you're exchanging these people you probably are both an elitist and a prick.

[ChuckElias]

What would you be exchanging unpeasants for? Peasants? What's the going exchange rate? How many unpeasants per peasant?