T or no T ???

[JRutledge]

[QUOTE=truerookie]

Originally Posted by RonRef

I don't believe the comment is sarcastic. I am letting those personnel involved know their behavior will not be tolerated. Bottomline they are trying to influence how the game is officiated.

Even if it is sarcastic, that is not always bad thing. Different situations require different responses.

Peace

[truerookie]

[QUOTE=JRutledge]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Even if it is sarcastic, that is not always bad thing. Different situations require different responses.

Peace

Mr. Rut, that is true and I can live with that.

[Daryl H. Long]

If RonRef won't T a kid for telling him to "toot his whistle" then I suspect he doesn't have the guts to call one in the first place. I say that as an observer of Div 1 college officials for 20 years.

There is a difference in a kid "whining' because he thought he was fouled and I can handle that without the T. But when anyone, player or coach, tells me to toot my whistle he buys the T: first time, every time.

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

If RonRef won't T a kid for telling him to "toot his whistle" then I suspect he doesn't have the guts to call one in the first place. I say that as an observer of Div 1 college officials for 20 years.

There is a difference in a kid "whining' because he thought he was fouled and I can handle that without the T. But when anyone, player or coach, tells me to toot my whistle he buys the T: first time, every time.

It is amazing how you made that leap that I don't have any guts from a few posts. In the past 15 years I have given out my full share of technical fouls. When I first started out I was real hard guys and tried to pound my chest all the time by giving technicals out right and left, don't mess with me I am in change was my mindset. Over the years I have become more mature as an official and learned how to deal with these situations better by better communication with coaches and players. Since then my career has take an incrediable up swing. If a technical foul is warranted I will whack'em no questions asked. But in this case IMO I would have not whacked him, other on this site may have, and that is fine. Please don't make judgments about my character if you have never met me or seen me officiate. I will give you the same respect.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by RonRef

It is amazing how you made that leap that I don't have any guts from a few posts.

I caught that too. Amazing how some people think giving or not giving T's is based on the size of your jock.

One of the toughest, most respected and successful D1 officials I know is proud of the fact that he gave very, very few T's before he retired. An ultra-uber-big-dog in real life and on the court, you do not want to be on this guys sh1t list. He just preferred methods other than T's to control his games.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

If RonRef won't T a kid for telling him to "toot his whistle" then I suspect he doesn't have the guts to call one in the first place.

When anyone, player or coach, tells me to toot my whistle he buys the T: first time, every time.

Daryl, I respect your experience as a D1 observer. I have some idea of what that involves and the detail that you're expected to note. However, I'm just gonna disagree with you on your comments above. "Toot your whistle" may be an automatic T for you, but it's not for everyone. It's certainly not for me. It's not profane, it's not abusive, it's not excessive (by itself). It's just whining due to frustration.

I do not T for this, and I've tossed players and coaches from games. I have roughly the average amount of intestinal fortitude on a HS court. And "blow the whistle" is not a T in my games. At least, not "first time, every time". If it becomes persistent and distracting, then we find a way to take care of it.

I don't think this particular phrase is one where you want to disparage a fellow official's "guts". A coach screaming profanities in your face and you ignore it? Ok, that may show a lack of strength. But "toot your whistle"? I'm not buying that one.