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oc Thu Sep 07, 2006 07:23pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
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Man you answer fast.

26 Year Gap Thu Sep 07, 2006 08:45pm

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Originally Posted by zebraman
I was once told by a big time D-1 ref at a camp that if I know a team is out of time-outs, I should "count ceiling tiles" if they try to call another one. (In other words, pretend like I don't see it).

I don't buy that philosophy (but obviously it works for him).

Z

Most of the gyms I work don't have ceiling tiles.

A coach would have to be a real moron to keep calling them after one T, though. If his club is behind, not a great way to catch up, no matter how much strategy is discussed. If his club is ahead, a great way to choke away a lead.

REFVA Fri Sep 08, 2006 06:46am

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In high school ball, my understanding is a team can buy an "extra/excessive" time-out with a T. I've always penalized when discovered, but allowed them to finish the time-out. If they want to keep taking excessive time-outs, I will keep giving them T's.

My understanding is that, if excessive time out is called after already being T'd for calling too many, you do not allow them to conference, they just get a T. shoot the fouls and change possession.

I might be wrong, but about 99% sure of this.

Jurassic Referee Fri Sep 08, 2006 06:57am

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Originally Posted by REFVA
My understanding is that, if excessive time out is called after already being T'd for calling too many, you do not allow them to conference, they just get a T. shoot the fouls and change possession.

I might be wrong, but about 99% sure of this.

I'm 100% sure that you're wrong.

The team gets the full TO. The FT's for the technical foul are shot after the TO is over.

See the casebook play that I already referenced in a previous post- CB 10.1.7. That says that the team is granted the TO, even though they don't have any left.

It doesn't make any sense to penalize a team for taking an excess TO if they never do take that excess TO.

REFVA Fri Sep 08, 2006 07:04am

Thank you sir! I know where to go for the correct scoop..

Junker Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:32pm

I've never had this situation happen yet, but I think if I know a coach is out of TO's when he requests it, I would remind him that he is out and if he still wants it, I would grant the TO and T. If he keeps doing it (I've never seen or heard of this in my area), go with the travesty, get a cold one a little earlier. I can't see that totally ignoring the request would be good game management.

Jurassic Referee Fri Sep 08, 2006 02:30pm

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Originally Posted by Junker
I've never had this situation happen yet, but I think if I know a coach is out of TO's when he requests it, I would remind him that he is out and if he still wants it, I would grant the TO and T.

Do you really believe that officials should hand out unfair advantages?

If you remind the coach and he then says forget the TO, you're screwing the other team out of the 2 FT's and possession that they had coming to them because their opposing coach wasn't doing his job properly.

Personally, I prefer to stay neutral. You know, call it both ways...two teams out there....that kinda thingy. That's just me though.:) Jmo, but I think that you walk a very slippery line out on the court sometimes if you try to be Mr. Nice Guy Official.


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