NBA Game 5- <i>Redux</i>

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Well, I guess you are right. There is only one way to handle it, your way. No one else could have done better.

I don't know if I agree that no one could have done it better than BadNewsRef.

But for sure no one could have done it worse than Avery Johnson.

Bottom line: Dallas got all wrapped up in following Mark Cuban down the path of "the officials are screwing us" and they didn't take care of their business.

It's as simple as that. Anyone who's worked AAU ball has seen this drama played out over & over & over. Except the AAU coaches have an excuse: they don't do this for a living.

[Adam]

Apparently Dan Rather is in negotiations with Mark Cuban to get a cable show. You can't make this stuff up.

[icallfouls]

Talked with an NBA evaluator/former referee over the weekend. The comment was that "they had the opportunity to get it right, I don't know if they did." Yes, its pretty vague, but it leaves it open to speculate that more could have been done by the officials.

There is likely to be further rule clarification as a result of the situation.

All in all, the situation detracted from a good game, there is plenty of accountability/blame to go around.

[mcuban]

Have you ever given or seen a time out given where no eye contact, physical or verbal communication between the asking player and official was given ?

Now add the context that the arena was so loud no one could hear each other.

Officials couldnt hear players

Coaches couldnt hear players

Players couldnt hear coaches.

There is always some sort of contact/acknowledgement between player/official before a timeout is given.

No where on the video can you find it from JHoward

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by mcuban

Have you ever given or seen a time out given where no eye contact, physical or verbal communication between the asking player and official was given ?

I have now!

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by mcuban

Have you ever given or seen a time out given where no eye contact, physical or verbal communication between the asking player and official was given ?

Now add the context that the arena was so loud no one could hear each other.

Officials couldnt hear players

Coaches couldnt hear players

Players couldnt hear coaches.

There is always some sort of contact/acknowledgement between player/official before a timeout is given.

No where on the video can you find it from JHoward

If you read all of my posts on this matter, I am of the opinion that more could have been done to confirm the TO request. The referee/evaluator I spoke to also thought more could have been done. However, all of these comments are based on what was observed from our different living rooms.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mcuban

Have you ever given or seen a time out given where no eye contact, physical or verbal communication between the asking player and official was given ?

Now add the context that the arena was so loud no one could hear each other.

Officials couldnt hear players

Coaches couldnt hear players

Players couldnt hear coaches.

There is always some sort of contact/acknowledgement between player/official before a timeout is given.

No where on the video can you find it from JHoward

Mr. C,

Josh Howard gave a time-out signal right in front of his chest and started walking across the paint. That is on film.