Tommy Amaker goes nuts for the first time ever

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I've noticed a few veteran officials in the NCAA tourney who as the New Trail get ahead of the play even when there is some defensive pressure. JMO, but I just don't thinks it's a good idea for the trail to get ahead of the play in the backcourt.

Your opinion of this is the right one. Another example of "...they are working the NCAA and I'm not so..." being a non-issue. An official can get away with it 999 times, but the 1,000th time could bite you in the butt. Sort of like ball-watching.

[tomegun]

I just saw sportscenter. That was a flat out goaltend. Officials will continue to get attention when plays like this continue to happen.

[All_Heart]

I saw the intentional happen live and this is why swinging the elbows has to be called a violation. None of this would have happened if this was called on the first swing. It doesn't matter if the defense is "crowding" the player unless he is in the player's vertical space.

This goaltending is definitely a case of lead saving Trail & Center's butts if he happened to see it. I've had people tell me to never call goaltending/BI in lead but in extreme cases that is not the case. As your assigner will say "Get it right"

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

As your assigner will say "Get it right"

Who's assigner says this?

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Who's assigner says this?

I've had a number of people above me say that it's important to trust your partners and their primary, but if something has to be called that is obvious to everyone except your 2 partners then call it. This is a play that the coaches and the players don't want to hear that "I saw it but I'm not supposed to call it in lead". I think that the assigner or evaluator would say to lead "Good job on saving the crew". However, it's very possible that lead didn't see this because he was officiating the 2 rebounders on the opposite block.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

I've had a number of people above me say that it's important to trust your partners and their primary, but if something has to be called that is obvious to everyone except your 2 partners then call it. This is a play that the coaches and the players don't want to hear that "I saw it but I'm not supposed to call it in lead". I think that the assigner or evaluator would say to lead "Good job on saving the crew". However, it's very possible that lead didn't see this because he was officiating the 2 rebounders on the opposite block.

I can agree with everything you just said. Now since it is different, who's assigner said "just get it right?" Don't make the two the same thing when they really aren't.

[Nevadaref]

Yeah, unfortunately they missed the GT.
However, I would not have had anything on the elbows either. I don't believe that he even hit him with the elbow. The contact looked like it was made with the tricep or back of the upper arm. The MI player lost his cool. If he is going to get right up in someone's mug, what does he expect at this level? Should the offensive player just give him the ball?
He's going to make an effort to get him away. Most of these plays are about the guys showing some respect for each other. Lack of that is what starts the problems.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

This goaltending is definitely a case of lead saving Trail & Center's butts if he happened to see it. I've had people tell me to never call goaltending/BI in lead but in extreme cases that is not the case. As your assigner will say "Get it right"

The "C" should have got this. He had even closed down when the shot went up, so he had a great angle. Trail was at least 30 ft from basket (he was behind and to the right of the shooter) so between bringing the shooter up and down, and his angle/distance, he probably didn't have a good look at all. I would think the Lead is watching bodies in the paint, not the flight of the ball.

This appears to be one where the 'C' either says "I kicked the call" or explains to his supervisor why he didn't make the call.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The "C" should have got this. He had even closed down when the shot went up, so he had a great angle. Trail was at least 30 ft from basket (he was behind and to the right of the shooter) so between bringing the shooter up and down, and his angle/distance, he probably didn't have a good look at all. I would think the Lead is watching bodies in the paint, not the flight of the ball.

This appears to be one where the 'C' either says "I kicked the call" or explains to his supervisor why he didn't make the call.

I agree, this is definitely C's call. But if he doesn't call it AND Lead happens to see it out of his peripheral vision then Lead should make this call. The only reason I point this out is that some people advocate that Lead should NEVER call this even if they have definite knowledge.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

I saw the intentional happen live and this is why swinging the elbows has to be called a violation. None of this would have happened if this was called on the first swing.

The first swing did look like a violation. The second swing looked legal- ball was chinned and elbows were going at same speed as the hip rotation.

Looked like goaltending to me too from the angle of the film.

Anybody else think that was a blatant swing on the rim by Balkman on the one dunk near the end of the video? The one where he passed off and got the return pass? Didn't look like there was anybody underneath him when he swung.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

I saw the intentional happen live and this is why swinging the elbows has to be called a violation. None of this would have happened if this was called on the first swing. It doesn't matter if the defense is "crowding" the player unless he is in the player's vertical space.

This goaltending is definitely a case of lead saving Trail & Center's butts if he happened to see it. I've had people tell me to never call goaltending/BI in lead but in extreme cases that is not the case. As your assigner will say "Get it right"

If the lead is doing his job, he wouldn't see the goaltend. He's watching rebounding action and that one is too close to call on "peripheral vision."

The C needed to get that GT or get skewered, which he did.

Why did the C signal a 3-point attempt? That was clearly in the T's area.

Z

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Why did the C signal a 3-point attempt? That was clearly in the T's area.

Z

Because he was just trying to get it right! Ha Ha Ha!

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Because he was just trying to get it right! Ha Ha Ha!

LOL.

Z

[jkjenning]

How do you possibly take exception to the statement from All_Heart about "getting it right"? I've heard that from any number of sources and certainly from the assigners.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

How do you possibly take exception to the statement from All_Heart about "getting it right"? I've heard that from any number of sources and certainly from the assigners.

You mean about watching the ball er I mean getting it right? I have never heard an assigner, at any level, utter these words. We have been over this many times and I will stand pat with my feelings. It is OK, when the day comes and someone says this in a pregame, I will be looking to see what they are looking at.