KY Referee Squabble - Outta Control

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by house18

I had not read that account from the Lexington, KY media. Pretty good reading. Seems to me that Darrell accepted it because he knew he was wrong...Just my opinion.

I agree that he accepted responsibility for his involvement in the embarrassing incident. When the incident is completely investigated, I hope that his punishment is appropriate. I also hope that the other official involved accepts some responsibility for being unprofessional rather than saying it was some kind of noble defense of his manhood.

Z

[irefky]

I agree, both officials need to accept a punishment. No matter what was said, there was a reaction. We would treat it the same way in a sporting event, cause and reaction, both penalized.

A poster mentioned earlier what would this black official do if he was called a "boy" by a coach...

Well, what would an overweight official do if a coach called him a fat---?

I don't know either official, it is just embarrassing to me because I am an official in Kentucky. Believe, me when a coach called me a SOB several times a few years ago, I had a reaction, was it inappropriate, sure, but a human response. I hate that it happened, but it did....

Hope the KBOA officials can work through this because I am sure they will be issues next year. I just hope they can be mature and re-set their goals as men, community leaders.

In my association, we have only one black official, he's great, no problems, we all love him. KBOA is a much larger official association in Louisville that has more black officials, not sure how many. I just hate to see them split, segregate, that would just be a slap in the face of humanity.

Just remember, color is not blind, it is there, we all see it. It's the stupid things we think or say that make it stick out. God Bless

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by irefky

A poster mentioned earlier what would this black official do if he was called a "boy" by a coach...

Well, what would an overweight official do if a coach called him a fat---?

I can change my weight. I cannot ever change my race or color. Not a very good comparison if you ask me. Also being fat does not come with the same history either. I realize you might be trying to come to some rationalization for this, but as you said you are not Black and knowing that you will not ever be Black makes it easy for you to take a position that you really do not understand. I am sure you mean well, but the analogy is very off.

Peace

[irefky]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I can change my weight. I cannot ever change my race or color. Not a very good comparison if you ask me. Also being fat does not come with the same history either. I realize you might be trying to come to some rationalization for this, but as you said you are not Black and knowing that you will not ever be Black makes it easy for you to take a position that you really do not understand. I am sure you mean well, but the analogy is very off.

Peace

Rut, that maybe true, but it still is a personal attack. Regardless, of what you may think, it still hurts. The history of slavery, I am in no means trying to compare it with ones' weight, just to compare with ones' personal feelings. Black versus weight is not the issue, nor do I want it to be black versus white, just a common attack upon ones' personal feelings. Please, understand and you do lure to it, but you are "very off" if you think otherwise.

However, knowing history, nor do I want to defend it in anyway, whites were also inslaved. You may have heard the term, "serfs." Anyhow, and I am sure everyone on this board does not want to get into some crappie history lesson, it was WRONG. Regardless of the skin color, it was morally wrong. And again, my comparison was not for validity, but simply ones' own personal feelings of being attacked.

I know an official who started this year, he's obese. He eventually turned his schedule in, why? He was doing a game and the fans began cheering, "dough boy, dough boy." I spoke to him shortly, and told him he could do two things, quit or work is *** off to drop the pounds. I really felt bad for this man, he was hurt. It was a personal attack. Just as Mr. Montgomery was attacked, personally.

[quote=irefky]In my association, we have only one black official, he's great, no problems, we all love him. (What is that suppose to mean he's great, no problems. ?) Is this because he does not go against the idealogy of the association?

Why do some of you want to turn comments around? No, to your question. This guy goes to the State Tournament because he's that damn good. There's no jealousy, as the folks from Louisville said was going on in their association. Each official in our association respects him for both an official and person. No problems, meant from the white officials toward him. It's not all about color, some may think it is. I simply was saying it has nothing to do with it in our group.

[JRutledge]

Now you are trying to justify what is the history? No one said that being called fat would not hurt, but it does not carry the same history. I know you think because you read some book and they told you white people were enslaved that must mean something. Well let me put it to you this way. My last name I cannot trace directly back the country or the ancestors that came before me. That applies to every single African-American I can think of (why do you think we use the term African-American in the first place?). Not knowing your family religion, tribe or customs are quite different from my standpoint compared to others that know who came over on the boat to this country and why they came over on the boat. In many cases we were here a lot longer than those that are white, but we have to prove we are Americans more than those that in the last century just got here.

Secondly no one was twisting anything. You made it sound like the guy was supposed to be a problem and decided not to be a problem. Those were your words, not mine. I used to belong to a pretty much all-Black association and we had white people in the organization. I would not refer to those members has "not causing problems" in any way. Either way it goes your statements showed a lot if you ask me. I do not get offended easily or care what people like you think. You just keep prove to all of us what we have to overcome.

Have a nice day.

Peace

[irefky]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Now you are trying to justify what is the history? No one said that being called fat would not hurt, but it does not carry the same history. I know you think because you read some book and they told you white people were enslaved that must mean something. Well let me put it to you this way. My last name I cannot trace directly back the country or the ancestors that came before me. That applies to every single African-American I can think of (why do you think we use the term African-American in the first place?). Not knowing your family religion, tribe or customs are quite different from my standpoint compared to others that know who came over on the boat to this country and why they came over on the boat. In many cases we were here a lot longer than those that are white, but we have to prove we are Americans more than those that in the last century just got here.

Secondly no one was twisting anything. You made it sound like the guy was supposed to be a problem and decided not to be a problem. Those were your words, not mine. I used to belong to a pretty much all-Black association and we had white people in the organization. I would not refer to those members has "not causing problems" in any way. Either way it goes your statements showed a lot if you ask me. I do not get offended easily or care what people like you think. You just keep prove to all of us what we have to overcome.

Have a nice day.

Peace

You really have a lot of hatred, resentment. My apologies if you read more into what I was saying than what I was really saying. I just want all of us to live together. What I was saying, "I was more worried about white folks in our association having the problem, not the other guy." Not that it sound, more than you want it to sound offensive.

Please accept my apologies if I offended you. I certainly don't want to make anyone have to overcome anything that I say or do in life. I don't see black as African Americans, I really don't. I look at the black man as I do myself, as an American, nothing more or less.

I have read many of your post since I have been on these boards, I respect what you have posted. This does not change anything, a mutual respect. Thanks

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by irefky

You really have a lot of hatred, resentment. My apologies if you read more into what I was saying than what I was really saying. I just want all of us to live together. What I was saying, "I was more worried about white folks in our association having the problem, not the other guy." Not that it sound, more than you want it to sound offensive.

I had an opinion one what you said that means I have hatred and resentment? Who do I have this hatred towards? Let the truth be told I have accomplished a lot more than many with all things being equal. Race is a factor in a lot of things. I have no problem talking about that. You comments I found interesting and I was not the only one that pointed this fact out. Now if you are upset that someone took your words and drew a conclusion, well that is something you will have to do deep down in your soul.

Originally Posted by irefky

Please accept my apologies if I offended you. I certainly don't want to make anyone have to overcome anything that I say or do in life. I don't see black as African Americans, I really don't. I look at the black man as I do myself, as an American, nothing more or less.

Who said anything about being offended? I think you really need to look inward to find what you meant. I did not say I was at all offended. If anything I found your comments "interesting." Remember, you made them, I just commented on them. I am sorry that you have to define everything as what country they are from. Of course most people in this country are American; we should not have to keep pointing that out. This is not an international issue.

Peace

[truerookie]

[QUOTE=irefky]In my association, we have only one black official, he's great, no problems, we all love him. (What is that suppose to mean he's great, no problems. ?) Is this because he does not go against the idealogy of the association?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by truerookie

In my association, we have only one black official, he's great, no problems, we all love him. (What is that suppose to mean he's great, no problems. ?) Is this because he does not go against the idealogy of the association?

Maybe he knows his place and leaves all the white people alone. If that is not what he meant, it sure sounded that way. I am glad someone else pointed it out.

Peace

[house18]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Maybe he knows his place and leaves all the white people alone. If that is not what he meant, it sure sounded that way. I am glad someone else pointed it out.

Peace

Not only that, but maybe he is soooo great because he is not above the other white officials and they are not threatened by his presence. An opinion...

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by irefky

A poster mentioned earlier what would this black official do if he was called a "boy" by a coach...

Well, what would an overweight official do if a coach called him a fat---?

I've always been able to walk away from any verbiage. Coaches are usually more controlled but I think we've all heard plenty from fans. I hope, and I believe, that I'll always be able to walk away.

Bottom line, there's more to this situation that we've been told.

I'm done with it.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I've always been able to walk away from any verbiage. Coaches are usually more controlled but I think we've all heard plenty from fans. I hope, and I believe, that I'll always be able to walk away.

Bottom line, there's more to this situation that we've been told.

I'm done with it.

But not until your over/under was shot to heck.