Do you make the call?

[LarryS]

HereÂ’s the situation from a high school regional championship game. Even though my daughterÂ’s school lostÂ…I can honestly say it was an excellently call game. In Texas, at the beginning of the year we were told that when player pops his jersey toward the other team (puts his thumbs under his shoulder straps and hold the jersey out away from his chest) that is a T for taunting. With that in mindÂ…

Home team hits two FTs to go up be 2 with 11 seconds left after the visiting team erased an 11 point 4th quarter deficit. Visitors advance the ball to their front court and call time. After the inbound play, the shot from the free throw line is partially blocked. There is a scramble for the ball, visiting team secures it but cannot get a shot off…clock expires…place starts going nuts. I happen to look right at one of the officials who his looking at the table (apparently to see the “thumbs up” sign being given that all is OK). Between me and the official, there is a player from the home team who is facing the visiting bench and “popping” his jersey. Odds are good, but not 100%, that he saw what I saw.

Question…if you were in that situation, would you see the “taunt” and call the T? Official either did not see it or passed. Given the circumstances…I think “I would not have seen it”. Visiting coach didn’t react or say a word…just congratulated the other team and left them to their celebration.

[mick]

Originally posted by LarryS
... there is a player from the home team who is facing the visiting bench and “popping” his jersey.

Gonna see a lot of that in the coming weeks on TV.
High school players learn from College players.
If the NCAA officials allow it, it will remain a problem.

Your sitch was post game and one doesn't "really" know if the kid was showing his jersey to an older brother or to an opponent.

There's not really good place to go with this, except to go away.
mick

[Rich]

Originally posted by LarryS
HereÂ’s the situation from a high school regional championship game. Even though my daughterÂ’s school lostÂ…I can honestly say it was an excellently call game. In Texas, at the beginning of the year we were told that when player pops his jersey toward the other team (puts his thumbs under his shoulder straps and hold the jersey out away from his chest) that is a T for taunting. With that in mindÂ…

Home team hits two FTs to go up be 2 with 11 seconds left after the visiting team erased an 11 point 4th quarter deficit. Visitors advance the ball to their front court and call time. After the inbound play, the shot from the free throw line is partially blocked. There is a scramble for the ball, visiting team secures it but cannot get a shot off…clock expires…place starts going nuts. I happen to look right at one of the officials who his looking at the table (apparently to see the “thumbs up” sign being given that all is OK). Between me and the official, there is a player from the home team who is facing the visiting bench and “popping” his jersey. Odds are good, but not 100%, that he saw what I saw.

Question…if you were in that situation, would you see the “taunt” and call the T? Official either did not see it or passed. Given the circumstances…I think “I would not have seen it”. Visiting coach didn’t react or say a word…just congratulated the other team and left them to their celebration.

I'm outta there.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally posted by mick
Your sitch was post game and one doesn't "really" know if the kid was showing his jersey to an older brother or to an opponent.

Using the jersey in this way, no matter who you're showing it to, it's still a T.

That being said, if I'm the official, the only thing I'm going to see here is the table official giving me the thumbs up, and then I'm getting the hell outta dodge.

[mick]

Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes

Using the jersey in this way, no matter who you're showing it to, it's still a T.

That being said, if I'm the official, the only thing I'm going to see here is the table official giving me the thumbs up, and then I'm getting the hell outta dodge.

Dunno. Where is that an automatic? Still looks like judgement.

GW and West Virginia game ...maybe.
A player ripped off his jersy after the game. TV saw it.
Where was the "T"?
mick

[tomegun]

I'm not even looking for a thumbs up. A timeout was called at the end of the game and I think everything could have been checked then. After the game is over I walk, with a purpose, off the court.

I know someone who had a game (JC) that was getting kind of dirty towards the end. He felt like the crew should have waited on the court to make sure a fight didn't break out during the handshake. I don't agree with this at all. Again, when the game is over I'm gone. I'm not going to avoid anything but if something happens it will more than likely have to be between me and the locker room.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by mick

Dunno. Where is that an automatic? Still looks like judgement.

It's automatic. POE 1A in this year's rulebook- Players are increasingly using their uniforms in unsporting ways. Examples include: Holding the uniform out from the chest area to display the team name to opponents or fans".Iow, it doesn't matter whether he was showing his jersey to his older brother or an opponent; both are technical fouls, as per the POE.

Whether you actually call it though isn't automatic.

[mick]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

It's automatic. POE 1A in this year's rulebook- Players are increasingly using their uniforms in unsporting ways. Examples include: Holding the uniform out from the chest area to display the team name to opponents or fans".Iow, it doesn't matter whether he was showing his jersey to his older brother or an opponent; both are technical fouls, as per the POE.

Whether you actually call it though isn't automatic.

Sounds like a decent subject for another thread:

Which post-game antics are considered automatic Technical fouls?
mick

[JRutledge]

Buuubye!!!!

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by tomegun
I'm not even looking for a thumbs up. A timeout was called at the end of the game and I think everything could have been checked then. After the game is over I walk, with a purpose, off the court.

I know someone who had a game (JC) that was getting kind of dirty towards the end. He felt like the crew should have waited on the court to make sure a fight didn't break out during the handshake. I don't agree with this at all. Again, when the game is over I'm gone. I'm not going to avoid anything but if something happens it will more than likely have to be between me and the locker room.

If he wants to stick around to see if a fight breaks out means only one thing: He must officiate soccer.

Because like you, I am out of there.

MTD, Sr.

[brianp134]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

If he wants to stick around to see if a fight breaks out means only one thing: He must officiate soccer.

Because like you, I am out of there.

MTD, Sr.

I agree with both of you, I am heading towards the locker room. I know the official that Tomegun is talking about, I wouldn't hang around either in that situation.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

If he wants to stick around to see if a fight breaks out means only one thing: He must officiate soccer.

Because like you, I am out of there.

MTD, Sr.

I watched two friends of mine work a regional final on Saturday and it was one of the best HS games I've seen. Ended 72-70 and my friends went off the court. About 15 seconds later there was almost a brawl and all I could think while watching the coaches trying to break it up was: THAT'S why you get the heck off the court on the final horn. Who would WANT to see that?

[mj]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

I watched two friends of mine work a regional final on Saturday and it was one of the best HS games I've seen. Ended 72-70 and my friends went off the court. About 15 seconds later there was almost a brawl and all I could think while watching the coaches trying to break it up was: THAT'S why you get the heck off the court on the final horn. Who would WANT to see that?

Shame on those parochial schools!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by LarryS
Given the circumstances…I think “I would not have seen it”.

REALLY!?! To quote another poster on this board...

Originally posted by LarryS
What other rules do you ignore during critical moments of a game?

[TriggerMN]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

REALLY!?! To quote another poster on this board...

You must call about 50 3-second violations in every game if you're going to follow the rulebook that closely.