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Originally posted by Dan_ref
In this sitch I'm more worried about that kid or some other kid cold-cocking his opponent behind your back.

Ok, I guess I can see that. (You're right, I was fixated on the gesture; I was missing your larger point.)

All I can say to that point is that I guess the concern about kids getting rough was in front of us on the floor. While it could, of course, happen somewhere else, it just seemed that any real threat of punches or elbows was being handled.

Point taken, tho. Sorry I didn't see it sooner.

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
In this sitch I'm more worried about that kid or some other kid cold-cocking his opponent behind your back.

Ok, I guess I can see that. (You're right, I was fixated on the gesture; I was missing your larger point.)

All I can say to that point is that I guess the concern about kids getting rough was in front of us on the floor. While it could, of course, happen somewhere else, it just seemed that any real threat of punches or elbows was being handled.

Point taken, tho. Sorry I didn't see it sooner.

Sigh.

Do you not realize that when engaging in a discussion on an internet forum it is extremely poor form to concede a point in such a straight forward manner? Now, repeat after me:

You make a good argument - one I'm sure Hitler would have agreed with 110%.

:p

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
I worked a Juco playoff game on Saturday. I called a foul on a player during a scramble for a ball on the floor. The kid got up and walked over to me like he wanted to chat about it. I just said "Get out of my face," and his teammate pulled him away.

Another official who was in the stands said that after the kid moved away from me, he gestured "impolitely" at my back; pointing and probably saying something. I would have T'd it if I'd seen it, but it was behind me.

Maybe the officials in that D2 game simply didn't see the "choke" gesture if there was something else happening on the floor.

Chuck, many times I see these officials try not to look at the coaches so that they avoid the stare or the gesture when reporting a foul, signalling a violation or during a TO. I can understand them trying to avoid problems, but this time the action of the coach was apparent to everyone else in the arena. I guess I have to assume they didn't see it, but if they did, then they blew it.

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Originally posted by thereluctantref
I know that this is probably very subjective but what kind of comments are acceptable and unacceptable from a coach? I know that some coaches like to "work" the referees but I was wondering when their comments overstep the boundary. I have some examples below and could you tell me which are acceptable and not?

1. "What kind of call was that?"
2. "You've got to be kidding me!"
3. "C'mon ref, you have to call it both ways!"
4. "1, 2, 3" (counting 3 seconds for you)
5. "Oh! That wasn't a foul!"

I know that some comments are more neutral, like when coaches point out violations, like calling out traveling or double dribbles, but I was wondering about if these are ever acceptable.

We've all heard these ever since day 1 of officiating. For the most part I'd ignore all of them but if they kept persistent but in a respectable, ADULT manner and I happened to be by their bench I might say:
1)A standard call
2)No sir, it's real
3)We are and will continue to
4)I wasn't watching the lane, I'll keep an eye on it for ya
5)Oh sure it was
Now if the coach gets in a belligerent tone before the potential Tech I'd say:
1)"THE RIGHT ONE"
2)"DOES IT LOOK LIKE I'M KIDDING YOU"
3)"NO I DON'T"
4)Here I wouldn't say anything then I'd make a 3 second call on his player
5)"YEA IT WAS, WANT TO HEAR IT AGAIN?"

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Originally posted by Forksref

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
I worked a Juco playoff game on Saturday. I called a foul on a player during a scramble for a ball on the floor. The kid got up and walked over to me like he wanted to chat about it. I just said "Get out of my face," and his teammate pulled him away.

Another official who was in the stands said that after the kid moved away from me, he gestured "impolitely" at my back; pointing and probably saying something. I would have T'd it if I'd seen it, but it was behind me.

Maybe the officials in that D2 game simply didn't see the "choke" gesture if there was something else happening on the floor.

Chuck, many times I see these officials try not to look at the coaches so that they avoid the stare or the gesture when reporting a foul, signalling a violation or during a TO. I can understand them trying to avoid problems, but this time the action of the coach was apparent to everyone else in the arena. I guess I have to assume they didn't see it, but if they did, then they blew it.

One of my technicals this season was on a coach gesturing at my partner's back. I'll NEVER pass on this -- if a coach is going to do something so cowardly, I'll whack him every time.

On the "leaving to report," I'm with Dan. 2-person or 3-person, I hope I'm not leaving the scene of the foul until the players are up and separated. But I'm also with Chuck -- 2 officials should've been able to handle the players.