When do players become bench personnel

[assignmentmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

So if during a timeout A6-A10 sub in for A1-A5. After the second horn the referee is about to put the ball in play to Team A.
(Sit A) A6 standing next to the official tells the official that "You suck!". This is a direct Technical on the player and an indirect on the Coach. He must now sit the rest of the game.
(Sit B) A1 sitting on the bench next to the coach yells across the court at the official telling him "You suck!" A1 is still considered a player so he gets a direct technical and the coach receives nothing even though that player is sitting on the bench right next to the coach.

Is this correct by rule? If so this just doesn't seem right, IMO. [/B]

Nope, it's not correct. You got 'em reversed.

Rule 4-34-3-- "A substitute becomes a player when he/she legally enters the court. If entry is not legal, the substitute becomes a player when the ball becomes live. A player becomes bench personnel after his/her substitute becomes a player....."

In SitA, A6 has legally entered the court. Therefore he has become a "player". If A6 now receives a "T", there's no indirect "T" charged to the head coach.

In SitB- A1 became bench personnel as soon as A6 legally entered the court. If he now receives a "T", his head coach will be charged with an indirect "T" also.

There is no prerequisite in either case for the ball to become live. That only applies to illegal substitutions.

NFHS rules.

NCAA rules use the same language, but I'm not sure if the head coach would get an indirect "T" in either case. NCAA technical foul rules are completely different from the FED ones..

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Mar 3rd, 2006 at 08:06 PM] [/B][/QUOTE]

What about the status of the people on the bench during a timeout? Are the players still players and the bench personnel still bench personnel?