Wow! This has sparked a lot of interest. Where do I start?

I'm still sticking to my guns and blowing my whistle IN THIS SITUATION!!!! I'm not in the habit of calling things I do not see. My mentor teaches me to make decisions that that allow the game to run as smoothly as possible. In this scenario team B will be trying to stop the clock. Understanding what team B wants to accomplish, I blow my whistle. B1 was reaching in and then there was the sound of an arm being slapped (from original post). So everyone in the gym is expecting a whistle, so I blow. Nobody is surprised! We go shoot the free throws and move on (smooth as possible).

Dan, you provided a scenario that I felt was unlikely but I responded to it anyway. It's always fun to put yourself in odd situations.

So I'll provide an equally unlikely scenario...

The slapping sound was B1 on A1's arm. Refs don't see it and no whistle. B1 then, to try to get a whistle, wraps his arms around A1. A1 throws an elbow into B1's chin and then B2 clocks A1. You and your partner(s) finally restore order and assess all the penalties. Coach B says "all you had to do was blow your whistle on the slap and we could have avoided this". Meanwhile your partner is talking to Coach A who is saying "my best player is now out of the game cause you and partner(s) were sucking on your whistles".

What can you say to defend the crew? "Sorry coaches, we can't call what we can't see???".

This isn't just for Dan, it's for anyone who wouldn't blow their whistle in this situation.

What it boils down to for me is I feel, in this situation, more bad than good will result if a whistle is not blown.

Although you make a valid point, I am not sure I agree. B1 swings his arm trying to foul and you hear a slap. With the ref being not being able to see it ask yourself this...
-Was it B1 slapping A?
-Did B swing, miss, and hit B2?
-Did B swat and hit himself?
-Did B swat and hit ONLY A's hand that is on the ball?
-Did B slap the ball?
-Where was the ball? because if it was away and then a foul then it becomes intentional by definition.
-3 of the best players on the floor have 4 fouls, they were all near the play along with 2 others. Foul out the wrong guy everybody on team B is mad, Guess on the wrong guy team A is mad because they thought one of the starters should be gone.

And here is the biggest question of all....

-At the time of the foul how do you his partner actually saw the play and it was something he/she passed on because he/she saw the whole play and it was one of this situations described above?

I have been on the floor too many times where I saw the play clearly and my partner thought he heard something and blew the whistle and it was nothing and 75% of the fans saw it too and knew he just made it up based on the sound.

In this situation that has been desribed How would he know his partner did not see it until after the game. I know they did not blow their whistle and come togteher and say " I heard a slap did you see the foul? No I didnot see it, so is this whistle inadvertent? or do we give the kid a foul?"
I will make an assumption, the only way he knew his partner did not see it was ask after the game.


If there were video at the game which one is worse if someone reviewed it; missing the slap foul while the offender is surrounded by 4 defenders and 3 offensive players in a nice little scrum or making something up that wasnt there? THAT YOU WOULDNOT KNOW YOUR PARTNER DIDNT SEE UNTIL AFTER THE GAME. You only have one choice let it go!

I'll agree that all of these scenarios are fairly unlikely,
but it's thinking about these things that improve us.
To answer your question , this is EXACTLY what I would say
to both coach A & B. Try as we might, we can't see
everything that happens. But I will not make things up.
As for the end-of-game-quick-foul problem, if it ain't a
foul in the first 2 minutes it ain't a foul in the last 2
minutes. If I didn't see it it ain't a foul.

I have guessed the big-swinging-hand-sound twice, and both times the sound was the ball.
"Sorry coach, we can't guess a sound." :o

You say, "Coach add money to the budget so we can have three officials."

A foul is based on contact. Contact between two objects is only accurately checked by the sense of sight.

Coaches, players, and fans need to deal with the fact that they don't always get what they want. If team B truly wants a foul to stop the clock, make it obvious, and my arms will obviously swing up into an X over my head. (Of course, this brings up a whole 'nother thread.)

Although I still disagree with calling a foul you don't see, if you are going to call it in this situation, by your own description, you must call it intentional. You say B was trying to stop the clock and that you used your psychic powers to determine that B1 just slapped A1 on the arm. Doesn't sound (pun intended) like he was going for the ball.

If you don't see it don't call it, as said before it could have been clapping or a legal hit of the hand or even the ball that got hit. But if you are going for the game management angle how about this you and your partner should have been in position to make this call since one team was going to foul extra attention should have been on the ball handler to protect him.

Where've you been Paul?

Ive been to 4 camps in the last 8 weeks I am really sore
as the last 2 were back to back.....

Wow!!!!
 

PAULK1,
U be lookin' good on the hardwood then, yo?
mick

Tryin hard not to look like a fool when I step out on the floor.....