Agreed. In retrospect I think that would have worked better. I wasn't upset about the foul initially, calls will be missed. I was concerned that, at this level, with girls, the play was allowed to continue as our girl lay in a heap. Remember, the lead on the play (who was now the trail) looked back at this girl twice as play resumed. We were saying there was an injured player. Only after we got the whistle (team had since shot twice until we secured the rebound), and I saw the extent of the "no contact" on the girl's face and eye, did I question the official. I became more disappointed as the rough play continued. Funny thing is, the team was from a neighboring town. We had already worked out plans for a scrimmage in the coming weeks (which we intend to keep, their girls wouldn't try to purposely injure our girls). However, as many have said, at this age some of these games turn into brawls. I would expect an official to know that and call the game accordingly. My PRIMARY responsiblity that day, and at that moment, was to my players. Again, I wanted discussion on the irony of the situation and input how best to handle it in the future (also, wanted feedback on whether any of you would be offended being called "Stripes"). I am not looking for any validation for my actions.

[Edited by lmeadski on Feb 13th, 2006 at 04:41 PM]

YU.P.
And she's a nice person. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's........nice.
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Okay. JR, yer nice, too..., <small>when you wanna be. :)</small>

That's........nice.
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Okay. JR, yer nice, too..., <small>when you wanna be. :)</small>
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Hey, you already used that picture! Get some new material...and mick, does Mrs. mick know how much Oatmeal thinks of you?????

Yeah, yeah, I know JR. I'll say it for you...shutup.

Hey, you already used that picture! Get some new material [/B][/QUOTE]Bad rocky...
http://www.forumspile.com/Stupid-Sit_in_the_corner.jpg
Bad, bad rocky.....

And don't forget to let your students see what happens to their teacher when he's a bad boy.

To answer your question, dj.:

Yes. My wife, as well as oatmealqueen, can spell *hyperbole*. :)

ROFLMAO...good thing the students left about 5 minutes ago!!

You want irony? Try this...

You admit the best course of action would have been to talk to the opposing coach - the guy you're scheduling scrimmages with because they would never purposely hurt your players other than the odd bloody mouth or swollen eye - about the behavior of his players.

And still you want to somehow blame the officials because the other team was out of control in terms of your players getting injured...and if they were justified in T'ing you up.

I gotta admit, I don't get it.

And I have to admit, I can't understand why you can't get the point of my post?! I posted this due to the irony of being a coach and a ref. I never said I didn't deserve a T. I was surprised the reason I got one was for calling him Stripes, and not for commenting on cleaning up the game play. I was primiarly upset because they WOULDN'T STOP PLAY FOR THE INJURED PLAYER. I did mention I wouldn't have argued if this were high school ball. They were 11 and 12 year old girls in a tournament with no trophies, medals, etc. Did you read the post that said after they went into bonus, the rough play ended? Gee, go figure!

And yes, we will play them again, and I will find officials who will ref the game a bit tighter so as to keep rough play at a minimum.

By the way, I misread your prior thread. I would not have approached the coach alone to discuss HER players actions. I would have approached her to discuss cleaning up play with the officials. I think it would be important to include the refs in the discussion as it's one of the refs jobs to try keep game play fluid and from getting out of control. In this game, once we hit bonus, coach was all over her girls to limit the reach ins and other aggressive play. Guess what, rough play ended! Its not rocket science, Dan.

No, it's not.

Rough play can always be stopped by the coach, especially at the age level we're discussing.

But it's the official's fault.

Go figure.

Anyway, enjoy the rest of your season.

Rough play can be stopped by the coach and/or managed by the refs. Refs control rough play by calling fouls and enforcing the rules. Ever had an ingame conference with your fellow refs in a game where rough play is escalataing? Go figure.

[Edited by lmeadski on Feb 14th, 2006 at 10:33 AM]

But by your own admission the refs were not helping.

Which means the responsibility falls to the coaches.

Glad we can agree on something.

Rough play can always be stopped by the coach, especially at the age level we're discussing.

[/B][/QUOTE]Gasp.....

Are you intimating that a coach might just possibly... maybe have the teeniest, weeniest, slightest, minisculest bit of responsibility for the way his kids actually play?

What a novel concept!

It'll never catch on though. It's always <b>sooooooo</b> much easier to blame the real culprits- the officials.

Cleopatra wasn't the only Queen of Denile. :D

Gasp.....

Are you intimating that a coach might just possibly... maybe have the teeniest, weeniest, slightest, minisculest bit of responsibility for the way his kids actually play?

What a novel concept!

It'll never catch on though. It's always <b>sooooooo</b> much easier to blame the real culprits- the officials.

Cleopatra wasn't the only Queen of Denile. :D [/B][/QUOTE]

Coaches and players have first and full responsibility for how kids play. Referees are in position to INFLUENCE how the kids play and how the coaches act by enforcing the rules. If the coaches and players continue their aggressive play, rule enforcement will amply penalize them: bonus, double bonus, flagrant fouls and maybe technicals. Continued non-compliance only hurts the offending team and it is their prerogative to act any way they choose. Denial is thinking that refs have no influence on a game. Of course we do, and, depending how tight or loose we call a game, undue influence.

The logical assumption in your statement is that the refs have first responsibility for rough play, coaches second (...responsibility falls to the coaches). Hhhhmmmmmm. See my prior post on this matter....

[Edited by lmeadski on Feb 14th, 2006 at 10:51 AM]