Touching Lines on a Throw-in

[ehcco]

Is it a throw-in violation for a players foot or feet to touch a boundary line but not touch the playing surface which I know is the inside of the line?
Since the inside of the line is inbounds is the line itself considered part of the out of bounds?
I can't seem to find this in the case book or rules.

[zebraman]

Rule 4-9-2 The inside edges of the boundary lines define the inbounds and out-of-bounds areas.

It is not a violation unless the player making the throw-in touches an inbounds location.

I'm sure you've been to gyms where the "sideline" is about 3 feet wide. We allow the inbounder to step all over that "line" right? The logic is the same, even if the line is only two-inches wide.

Z

[ehcco]

Thanks, I can't believe I did not find that.
My book is worn out from all the searching this year.
Since this is my first year, I have not been to many gyms to see the fat lines but know what you mean.
In fact, I asked the question because one of the games I did had a 4" wide line and not much room (less than the three foot minimum)beyond the endline. The kids were close all night to the line and then someone asked if stepping on the line was acceptable. Because of the short space on the endline, I should have given them the extra distance on the court for throw-in but the court was not marked with the broken line 3 ft from the endline. Next time I will get it right.

[ChrisSportsFan]

You can still back the D up about 3 feet and give the thrower a chance.

[Junker]

I had a coach ask me the exact same question in a pregame on Friday night. Evidently it was booted in a JV game earlier in the week.

[VaLadyRef]

I hope I understand your question...

Think of it this way...if a player is inbounds and steps on the line, you call that violation because the line is OUT OF BOUNDS, right? So logically taking it a step further, if a player, with out of bounds status steps on the line, which is considered OUT OF BOUNDS, that player is still out of bounds and has not violated, correct?

[ehcco]

Thats how I understand it and thats what 4-9-2 says.
I still can't believe I did not find this before asking my question! Thanks again Z.

[roadking]

can a player inbounding the ball jump over the boundry line (without touching) before releasing the ball?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by roadking
can a player inbounding the ball jump over the boundry line (without touching) before releasing the ball?

Yes. Legal throw-in.

[Oz Referee]

It's different in FIBA. All lines are considered to be of zero width, so if inbounds and you touch the line, you have gone out of bounds. But if you are out of bounds and touch the line, you have touched the court, and thus violated. Same applies for all other lines on the court.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes. Legal throw-in.

Better think again, JR.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Better think again, JR.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by roadking
can a player inbounding the ball jump over the boundry line (without touching) before releasing the ball?

After a made or awarded basket - legal.

During a spot throw-in - illegal.

The thrower must remain on or over the throw-in spot or it's a violation. If he jumped across the boundary line, then he's no longer over the 3' spot that's OOB.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

After a made or awarded basket - legal.

During a spot throw-in - illegal.

The thrower must remain on or over the throw-in spot or it's a violation. If he jumped across the boundary line, then he's no longer over the 3' spot that's OOB.

Say what?

Casebook play 7.6.2 sez that "it is permissible for the thrower to move backward or forward within the 3-foot-wide designated area without violating...". Casebook play 4.42.6 also mentions the designated spot as only requiring the thrower to keep any portion of his body on or over the 3-foot width of the designated spot.

There's no rule that I know of that says that the designated spot is limited to the boundary line at the front, as well as a set distance to the back, except that they can't climb the bleachers. There's nothing in rule 9-2 that's being violated that I'm aware of either. If I'm missing something, can you please point me to the rule that I'm missing?

[Adam]

Originally posted by Oz Referee
It's different in FIBA. All lines are considered to be of zero width, so if inbounds and you touch the line, you have gone out of bounds. But if you are out of bounds and touch the line, you have touched the court, and thus violated. Same applies for all other lines on the court.

So, do FIBA rules define the mandatory width of the lines? There are courts here in the states where the line is 4 feet or more wide on one side or another. I've reffed on courts where there isn't a "line" so much as there's a change in floor colors defining the playing court.