Do you make this call?

[bekays]

While I think in some places the ruling on this has changed here is the situation anyways.



There is 5 seconds left in the game, Team B is shooting a one and one, they make the first one, giving them a 2 point lead over Team A. Team A calls a timeout. Team A also has the possession arrow.

The referee hands the ball to the shooter, once the shooter recieves the ball for his second shot, Team A's player, who has the low position, invites Team B's player to take the lower spot and they switch. (The shooter already has the ball).

Do you call the double violation, which results in a jump ball, giving possession to Team A with 5 seconds left or do you make them switch back and not call the violation? (This may or may not have been a specific tactic by the coach)

[JugglingReferee]

The officials are responsible for ensuring the bottom two spots are filled by the defense. IMO, once the shooter has the ball, that responsibility is completed.

If A moved first, you could penalize only this act and not B's movement. Result: delayed FT violation.

If B moved out of his spot first, which A should do to be 100% sneaky, you might have to use the arrow. I find it unlikely that we can read the mind of the A player, to maybe rule this act was deliberate.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by bekays
While I think in some places the ruling on this has changed here is the situation anyways.



There is 5 seconds left in the game, Team B is shooting a one and one, they make the first one, giving them a 2 point lead over Team A. Team A calls a timeout. Team A also has the possession arrow.

The referee hands the ball to the shooter, once the shooter recieves the ball for his second shot, Team A's player, who has the low position, invites Team B's player to take the lower spot and they switch. (The shooter already has the ball).

Do you call the double violation, which results in a jump ball, giving possession to Team A with 5 seconds left or do you make them switch back and not call the violation? (This may or may not have been a specific tactic by the coach)

Guys (meaning you old geezers like me), help me out here. I am getting ready to go to an athletic boosters meeting and I only have time to look in this year's casebook and the play I am looking for isn't in the book this year.

But, I am sure that this play was covered in a ruling made a number of years ago and the ruling was that the only violation is by the Team A player (even though the Team B player may be considered guilty of stupidity). The violation by A is a delayed dead ball violation.

MTD, Sr.

[Jurassic Referee]

One of my guys saw this on this forum and asked me about it at our meeting tonight. It's a call straight out of the case book:

Case book play 9.1.4SitB-COMMENT- "If a team B player uses verbal tactics like 'you're in my space'...to fake an opponent into violations, then only the fake is penalized".

Iow, it's a delayed free-throw violation only on the A player in the bottom slot. If the B FT-shooter misses the second shot, he'll just re-shoot it. If the FT by B is made, you ignore the violation by the A player.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
One of my guys saw this on this forum and asked me about it . . .

JR's back!! JR's back!!

[lmeadski]

good to have you back.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
One of my guys saw this on this forum and asked me about it at our meeting tonight. It's a call straight out of the case book:

Case book play 9.1.4SitB-COMMENT- "If a team B player uses verbal tactics like 'you're in my space'...to fake an opponent into violations, then only the fake is penalized".

Iow, it's a delayed free-throw violation only on the A player in the bottom slot. If the B FT-shooter misses the second shot, he'll just re-shoot it. If the FT by B is made, you ignore the violation by the A player.

Thank you JR. We old geezers need to stick together.

MTD, Sr.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
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We old geezers need to stick together.

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[Back In The Saddle]

I seem to recall from previous discussions here that once the shooter has the ball, if the players in the bottom blocks are switched it's an automatic double violation: on A for not being in the lower block when he should be; on B for being in the lower block when he shouldn't. This violation would occur before the aforementioned switching of places. Am I mistaken on this?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I seem to recall from previous discussions here that once the shooter has the ball, if the players in the bottom blocks are switched it's an automatic double violation: on A for not being in the lower block when he should be; on B for being in the lower block when he shouldn't. This violation would occur before the aforementioned switching of places. Am I mistaken on this?

According to the original post, a B player is shooting, and A is in the lower block and B is in the second spot. That's exactly where they're supposed to be, by rule.

Am I missing something, BITS?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

According to the original post, a B player is shooting, and A is in the lower block and B is in the second spot. That's exactly where they're supposed to be, by rule.

Am I missing something, BITS?

One of us is. And it's not you.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by lmeadski
good to have you back.

ditto