Ref in the stands

[johnnyrao]

In my state there have been umpires in baseball suspended for criticizing umpires at a game. The article in the state news did not mention whether or not the game umps were good or bad. It simply does not matter. If you do it here publicly you risk suspension, and rightly so, IMO.

[Ref-X]

In my first season I was working a CYO 8th grade game. The coach of the one team was riding me very hard. He was giving me a hard time about everything I did. From my calls, to my position on the floor, my hand signals, everything. I could not figure out what this guy’s problem with me was. I found out after the game that he was a long time IAABO official with the same board as me. He was giving me a hard time because I was new. You would think a veteran official like this would want to come to me after the game and talk to me about how I was calling the game and maybe give me some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Not try to undress me on the court. I had to work a game he was coaching again a month later. By this time I had a lot more games under my belt and I was a little more confident. He tried giving me a hard time once more and I gave him the T early. I really felt vindicated. I never had a problem with him after that, but it never should have come to that in the first place. I never reported it to my association and looking back maybe I should have.
In our association it is strongly communicated that officials do not criticize other officials publicly, and veteran official are encouraged to help the rookies. I look at it as one of the many experiences that have help make me a better official.

[IREFU2]

Originally posted by lmeadski
this happened over this past weekend. I was a bit stunned, but, being a first year ref, maybe this is normal protocol.

Frosh game, sparse attendance. From my right, I hear a fan yell out, "Hey ref, they're over the back. Use your whistle." I just happened to get a chance to look into the stands (ensuing dead ball) and, lo and behold, it was a ref from our association! I found out later his nephew was playing.

Is there any "code" or "rules of conduct" that says you shouldn't verbally hoot on another ref from the stands? And, is it something I should tell my association about, or approach the ref in private, or just let it go?

We had/have the same problem whereas one of the ref's was a coach. In the first instance (had), he was suspended from the board and eventually gave up officiating. The second instance (have), this person is an assistant coach and gives most officials hell. I would think there is a code of ethics among us officials, but that goes out the window. IMHO, its is down right sad and show poor sportsmanship.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by IREFU2
The second instance (have), this person is an assistant coach and gives most officials hell.

What? Excuse me? Who on your board allows an assistant to give him/her hell from the bench? No coach should be allowed to behave like a maniac, but an assistant should get ZERO latitude. Whack and toss.

[IREFU2]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

What? Excuse me? Who on your board allows an assistant to give him/her hell from the bench? No coach should be allowed to behave like a maniac, but an assistant should get ZERO latitude. Whack and toss.

Well she always give the people hell that allows her to. Of course, she doesnt give me hell at all. Its the new officials that she rides and gets away with it.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by IREFU2

Well she always give the people hell that allows her to. Of course, she doesnt give me hell at all. Its the new officials that she rides and gets away with it.

Every board needs somebody to teach new officials where to draw the line Besides, she gets paid the same whether she sticks around for the end of the game or not!

[Teigan]

i had my ex-partners ripping on me during a game, the whole town knew they were refs, and so jumped on the bandwagon when they started on me again. so i did what i thought was legitimate. *tweet* "coach will you please remove these spectators, otherwise i am going to have to give you an indirect technical for your followers inciting negative crowd reactions". It was so funny, the coaches HAPPILY ( the coaches didnt like these 2 guys, and told our association if they were ever assigned to their games, to cancel the games as they would not be leaving as soon as they walked into the gym) escorted these gentlemen out of the gym, and there was no further incidents...it would appear that without 2 refs sitting in the stands ridiculing us and no one in the crowd with any other basketball experience that my partner and I really were not that bad.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Teigan
so i did what i thought was legitimate. *tweet* "coach will you please remove these spectators, otherwise i am going to have to give you an indirect technical for your followers inciting negative crowd reactions".

Unfortunately, that action wouldn't be legitimate under NFHS or NCAA rules. If you ever did have to call that "T", it's charged to the team. There's no indirect technical foul charged to to the head coach.

[ChuckElias]

JR, what are you doing posting at 3:20 am?!?! Just gotta check the board on the way to the bathroom?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
JR, what are you doing posting at 3:20 am?!?! Just gotta check the board on the way to the bathroom?

Chuck, at my age I still sleep like a baby. I wake up every two hours crying and having to go the bathroom.

You've got a dog, haven't you? What's your secret? My 2 dogs usually both have to go outside in the middle of the night. And my wife is great at feigning a coma at that time. I'm thinking of putting Depends on both of 'em.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
You've got a dog, haven't you? What's your secret? My 2 dogs usually both have to go outside in the middle of the night.

The only reason, the ONLY reason, that I still have a dog is that he sleeps through the night in his crate. He would be long gone if he got us up in the night.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

The only reason, the ONLY reason, that I still have a dog is that he sleeps through the night in his crate. He would be long gone if he got us up in the night.

Crate? You make the dog sleep in a crate? A crate?

Yer lucky. Mine sleep on the bed and they take up more freaking room than a people, even though neither of 'em hits 15#. They both snore too. As does my wife. Sometimes the bedroom sounds like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir on crank performing selections from that great Julie Andrews movie- The Sound of Asthma. They hit about 5.6 on the Richter Scale too.....every damn night.

Grumble, grumble, grumble......

[johnfox]

i actually had this same thing happen 13 years ago in my first season. had 7/8 g games. had 2 fans setting in the stands calling me homer everytime up & down the floor. looked up just to see who was doing it. lo and behold 2 of our suposedly big time officials in our local assoc. to this day, everytime i see them i want to tell them about it. i don't think any official attending a game as a fan, should ever yell at the officials. we already have enough other people doing it!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by johnfox
i actually had this same thing happen 13 years ago

You had a dog snore "The Sound of Asthma" in duet with JR's wife while sleeping in your bed? Wow! What a coincidence!

Huh? Oh, you mean. . . you're actually on-topic?

Never mind.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Yer lucky. Mine sleep on the bed and they take up more freaking room than a people, even though neither of 'em hits 15#.

15#??

You should check again, I think what you might have are a couple of large cats.