The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 04:52pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 151
I have a local HS that has cheerleaders that love to really crowd the baseline on one side of the court. It makes it real hard to work the baseline on the side they are on. Usually I motion them to move back a bit and they comply. But that led me to wonder...

What authority, if any, do we have to move cheerleaders?

I cant find a rule that allows us to do it and I even pulled up the Spirit Rules to see if they have a rule about it and they dont seem to.

I know one solution is to just ask the AD to do it. But at the end of a tight game, I dont want to have to get the AD and stop play to move them. I want to know if there is a rules basis to be able to move them if I want to.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 04:54pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,010
You won't find anything in the rules to justify it, but you run over or bump into a couple of em, and they'll probably get the hint.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 05:09pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 151
Yeah, there are any number of "practical" solutions. But I was hoping to have some rule backup if I really needed to move them at the end of a tight game.

I'm thinking about it because I have a game at that site coming up soon.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 05:11pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 14,614
Quote:
Originally posted by cdaref
I cant find a rule that allows us to do it and I even pulled up the Spirit Rules to see if they have a rule about it and they dont seem to.
Look a little harder, it's in there.

A couple of years ago, I helped out part time at a local rec center. They had a Spirit Rules Book. One boring Saturday afternoon, I thumbed through, in search of this exact rule. The book basically says that cheerleaders should not stand during any live ball situations.

Your state association may also have rules regarding this. The NCHSAA states in the Basketball section of our handbook that "Cheerleaders must remain seated during all live balls, which includes after the free throw shooter is handed the ball. Cheerleaders may not come onto the fl oor during 30-second timeouts."
__________________
"...as cool as the other side of the pillow." - Stuart Scott

"You should never be proud of doing the right thing." - Dean Smith
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 05:14pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Frisco (Dallas), Texas
Posts: 167
Authority.

The authority is in 2:3 - The referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the rules.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 05:15pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,910
High School kids love to feel important. Before the game, ask who the cheerleading captain is. Then just tell her that she needs to help you out and explain what you expect from her team. She'll comply. If they do forget and start to crowd you as the game gets exciting, just go to her and she'll take care of it.

Z
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 05:20pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 696
Talk to the Game Administration. Mention "saftey" concerns you have.
__________________
"Sports do not build character. They reveal it" - Heywood H. Broun
"Officiating does not build character. It reveal's it" - Ref Daddy
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 05:24pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Frisco (Dallas), Texas
Posts: 167
Quote:
Originally posted by Kajun Ref N Texas
Authority.

The authority is in 2:3 - The referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the rules.
Additionally, on page 10 of NFHS, "The restrictions which the rules place upon the players are intended to...provide reasonable safety and protection"

2:2 - The officials shall make decisions for infractions of the rules committed within or outside the boundary lines.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 05:27pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 9
The NFHS Spirit Book is provided to ALL school cheerleader sponsors, administrators, as well as each local officials association. (normally sent to the previous year's president).

The rule, as has been explained to us, is simply that cheerleaders may not stand ON THE FLOOR during a live ball. However, as long as they are in the 2nd row of the bleachers or higher, they may stand during live balls.

They are allowed to come on the floor during full timeouts and in between quarters, but, not during 30 second timeouts.

Ask your local association president (or board member) if they have a copy of the spirit book and have them look up the rule to reinforce your confidence in the rule.

Cheerleaders are not our (officials) responsibility either. They fall under the home game managements responsibility.

__________________
Call YOUR primary, TRUST your partner, and WORK your way up to the big games.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 05:32pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Champaign, IL
Posts: 5,687
Quote:
Originally posted by BktBallRef
A couple of years ago, I helped out part time at a local rec center. They had a Spirit Rules Book. One boring Saturday afternoon, I thumbed through,...
Hmm...thinking of picking up another activity (cheerleading) if this referee thing doesn't work out?

It's interesting to hear the book says they should not stand during live ball situations. I have yet to see a cheerleader do anything BUT stand during the entire game, except, of course, when they're doing their flips and things during the full timeouts. I usually ask nice, and most of the time they move aside when they're in the spot I want to be, but I've always wondered it had more to do with my deodorant.

Most of the time I have very little contact with cheerleaders, but in a recent game my partner had to almost restrain one from coming on the floor. Apparently she had an issue with a fellow from the other team who had, perhaps, fouled a good friend of hers a little too hard. A quick step in front of her, and a couple of comments from her colleagues got her back under control. It's good to have a woman who's willing to protect her man, right?
__________________
M&M's - The Official Candy of the Department of Redundancy Department.

(Used with permission.)
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 05:43pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 151
Thanks everyone.

I saw 2-3, but that is pretty generic. I was hoping no to have to hang my hat on that. However, I imagine no one would get pissed if my ruling was that the cheerleaders were interfering with my ability to call the game, observe violations and fouls, etc.

I was just hoping for a clearer statement somewhere.

I will check local association rules, too. Good suggestion.

Its funny. I've never really had this before. This is my first year with a new association (I moved). The cheerleaders here really like to be on the baseline. And I mean close to the baseline.

[Edited by cdaref on Jan 12th, 2006 at 05:45 PM]
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 05:53pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 29,590
I know our state has noticed that cheerleaders are such a problem that they have addressed it with the schools and officials a couple of years ago. As a matter of fact post season hosting assignments are considered by the amount of room that needs to be clear because the cheerleaders have become a problem with interfering with officials and players. I think the distance from the court has to be 6 feet (I will have to check for sure) from the perimeter from the court in order to host a post season assignment.

All you have to say to the "ladies" is to let them know you are not looking at them when you are running down the court. Usually they realize they are in danger (the operative word is "usually") of getting run over or getting in the way and they adjust. Officials have every right to move people that are not apart of the game that might put someone at risk of injury or interfering with the game.

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 12, 2006, 06:00pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 5
Generally they respond if asked to move. In a respectful way asking, "can I get you to move a few steps down this way" or something like that, seems to be effective.
A few years ago I had this issue and asked one of the girls to move down the baseline so I wouldn't run into her. She immediately got defensive and said, in a very negative tone, "we're athletes too you know!" I wasnt' going to get anywhere with her so I went to the table to ask for the game admin. The PA announcer asked what I needed and I said I needed the girls to move to one side of the basket or the other. He immediately gets on the PA and requests, "WILL THE CHEERLEADERS PLEASE MOVE FROM THE END OF THE COURT" so everyone in the gym could hear it. I was laughing to myself thinking, hey, they got what they deserved. It wasn't what I intended but it certainly was effective!
They ended sitting up in the stands without doing any cheer for the entire game and they let me have it nearly every time I was at their end of the court within hearing distance.
Lesson: Be careful who you ask to help you.
Lesson2: Mess with the cheerleaders only if absolutely necessary.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Fri Jan 13, 2006, 01:26am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,273
I have seen similar problems, only with them standing too close to the sideline in front of the bleachers opposite table side.

Last season I had one game where they were really close to the sideline and we'd asked them to move back. In the 3rd quarter I was transitioning to cover a fast break that was close to the sideline. I was in a full out sprint straight down the sideline, looking back over my shoulder when one of them stepped a little too close & I didn't see her. Fortunately it was more of a glancing contact than a direct collision, but it still knocked her flat on her butt. She was shaken up but not really hurt. We then had the AD make them sit.

Now when I see cheerleaders at the game, I tell game management that for safety reasons they're not allowed within 3 feet of any court boundary line when the ball is live - period.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Fri Jan 13, 2006, 08:10am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 1,453
I tell them they need to move back. I'm 6'6" and about 230 pounds and I tell them that when I haul booty down court, I'm not looking to see where they are and they are a lot smaller than me. They get the message.
__________________
Never argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:28am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1