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In tonightÂ’s game we had an incident with a free throw shooter. It goes like this...player A at the line for the first of two free throws. My partner admin the first, bucket and it goes in, I get the ball off one bounce, announce "one shot" and go to bounce the ball to player A. (here is where it gets tricky) As the ball comes off the floor she goes to the sideline for some instructions from the coach. The ball, already in motion goes past the FT line and another player picks up the ball. They give it back to me and we try this again...should we have or does player A forfeit their shot???
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I agree, once the ball's administered, back out of the key, and begin a visible count, if they throw the ball to you, just take it and hold it til the girl returns, then bounce it to her, meanwhile count the seconds (10 for you then, 5 in fiba) if she doesn't care, why should we care, just count it
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In the original case, you could say that the ball was never at the disposal of the free-throw shooter before she left the semicircle, and thus no violation. However, she should never get close to making the sideline to talk to her coach before you're shooing her back in the circle. And you should also make sure that she knows that she'd better not try pulling that one again. Straight delay of game imo. |
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Why did both officials each administer a free throw? Maybe that confused the player? mick |
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[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Jan 11th, 2006 at 08:44 AM] |
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Mick,
In Louisiana the trail admin the first FT and the lead admin the second. I agree that there should have been a violation for leaving the circle. It was one of those, " did I just see what I thought I saw" moments. Thank you all for the clarification. |
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If you're a nice guy like JR, you shoo the kid back to the circle and you have nothing. If you're a hard-dexter, it's an immediate T for delay. There's no violation to be called here that I can see.
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I understand. Thanks, bdub712. We used to do that, too. In your case, due to obvious confusion, I would not make a call, or present a warning. I'd just get the player back to bidness with very little fanfare. mick |
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How ever you're right, there's a violation for leaving the circle with the ball at disposal, question is, if a player leaves just as you show 2 shots or bounces the ball (yes that extremly ignorant, but I know players who could do that) is the ball at their disposal? The rules say the changes for subs to enter end when the shooter has the ball at his/her disposal, so when's that? When the ball is grabbed by the shooter, or when the official passes the ball to the shooter? I can't find a definition for this in my book
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Hello, I am new here... but in the NFHS Case book 10.3.6:
Delay by Free Thrower - The calling offical has reported the foul and has given directions to the players along the lane. The official is ready to put the ball into play at free thrower A1's disposal, but A1 is at the sideline talking to the coach. RULING: A technical foul for delay is charged to A1. No warning is authorized in this situation. (10-3-6c) |
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In the play we've been discussing, the FT shooter is already in the FT semicircle, but then left after receiving the ball or having it at their disposal. That's still a delay-of-game "T", but this "T" is called under a different rule- 10-3-6(a)- as already cited above. Iow, apples and oranges. Welcome to the forum. |
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