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Originally posted by crazy voyager
I agree, once the ball's administered, back out of the key, and begin a visible count, if they throw the ball to you, just take it and hold it til the girl returns, then bounce it to her, meanwhile count the seconds (10 for you then, 5 in fiba) if she doesn't care, why should we care, just count it
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You don't have a violation in FIBA rules for the free-throw shooter leaving the semi-circle after getting the ball? The play that you described above is an immediate violation under NCAA and NFHS rules as soon as a foot of the free-thrower goes beyond the plane of a free-throw semicircle line. The ball had already been placed at the free-thrower's disposal before she threw it to you. Once she gets the ball, she'd better not leave the semicircle here.
In the original case, you could say that the ball was never at the disposal of the free-throw shooter before she left the semicircle, and thus no violation. However, she should never get close to making the sideline to talk to her coach before you're shooing her back in the circle. And you should also make sure that she knows that she'd better not try pulling that one again. Straight delay of game imo.
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I think you misintered it, I meant if a player behind the 3 point line passes the ball back to you, not the FT shooter
How ever you're right, there's a violation for leaving the circle with the ball at disposal, question is, if a player leaves just as you show 2 shots or bounces the ball (yes that extremly ignorant, but I know players who could do that) is the ball at their disposal? The rules say the changes for subs to enter end when the shooter has the ball at his/her disposal, so when's that? When the ball is grabbed by the shooter, or when the official passes the ball to the shooter? I can't find a definition for this in my book