Jump Ball

[sm_bbcoach]

Jump Ball to begin game. Ball goes up, White tips is towards the south (the basket they are attempting to score at). Ball bounds at 3 pt arc and is:

A) batted by white out of bounds at the baseline.

B) batted by red out of bounds at the beseline.

C) batted by both teams out of bounds at the baseline.

For each: Your call and possesion arrow direction.

[BktBallRef]

A) batted by white out of bounds at the baseline.

Red's ball, white's arrow.

B) batted by red out of bounds at the beseline.

White's ball, red's arrow.

C) batted by both teams out of bounds at the baseline.

Jump ball between the two players that knocked the ball OOB.

[Jayzer]

Right on as I see it.
In A and B the directional arrow has being put into play and changes on throw in . In C, no control yet.

[de la hoops]

In situation A...

After the inbounder for red is handed the ball a foul is committed by red before the throw is completed.


White gets the ball. Does red get the arrow?
I guess it boils down to: When white knocks the ball out of bounds, does red have the arrow until the throw in is completed?

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by de la hoops
In situation A...

After the inbounder for red is handed the ball a foul is committed by red before the throw is completed.


White gets the ball. Does red get the arrow?
I guess it boils down to: When white knocks the ball out of bounds, does red have the arrow until the throw in is completed?

Red doesn't lose the arrow until they complete a throw-in, and they haven't completed a throw-in if they commit a foul. White gets the ball, and red keeps the arrow.

And the refs huddle quickly to brace themselves for a very physical/rough game.

[mick]

Originally posted by sm_bbcoach
Jump Ball to begin game. Ball goes up, White tips is towards the south (the basket they are attempting to score at). Ball bounds at 3 pt arc and is:

A) batted by white out of bounds at the baseline.

B) batted by red out of bounds at the beseline.

C) batted by both teams out of bounds at the baseline.

For each: Your call and possesion arrow direction.

sm_bbcoach,
To understand the concept of the replies, one must know that a bat of the ball doesn't change or establish possession.
Holding or dribbling establishes possession. [see Rule 4-12-1]
mick

[sm_bbcoach]

Originally posted by mick

sm_bbcoach,
To understand the concept of the replies, one must know that a bat of the ball doesn't change or establish possession.
Holding or dribbling establishes possession. [see Rule 4-12-1]
mick

I understand that part of it, that is where my questions comes in. If white taps the initial tip; then the 3 situations occur, NO ONE has possesion of the ball. My questions is exactly your reply: No possesion was ever initiated, so are all 3 situations a re-jump reguardless of a batted ball by either/both teams?

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by sm_bbcoach
[]I understand that part of it, that is where my questions comes in. If white taps the initial tip; then the 3 situations occur, NO ONE has possesion of the ball. My questions is exactly your reply: No possesion was ever initiated, so are all 3 situations a re-jump reguardless of a batted ball by either/both teams? [/B]

No. The only re-jump will be the one when the ball is tipped out by both teams...in the other situations, possession is established when the ball is given to the in-bounder (or technically, when the ball is at the disposal of the inbounding team.

[mick]

Originally posted by sm_bbcoach

I understand that part of it, that is where my questions comes in. If white taps the initial tip; then the 3 situations occur, NO ONE has possesion of the ball. My questions is exactly your reply: No possesion was ever initiated, so are all 3 situations a re-jump reguardless of a batted ball by either/both teams?

What Rocky said.
The reason we don't need the arrow is because, although there was no team possession, one of the teams has in fact violated (ie., caused the ball to be out of bounds), so the ball goes to the other team. We know who gets the next possession.

We use the arrow when we don't know who gets the next possession.
mick

[assignmentmaker]

Originally posted by sm_bbcoach

I understand that part of it, that is where my questions comes in. If white taps the initial tip; then the 3 situations occur, NO ONE has possesion of the ball. My questions is exactly your reply: No possesion was ever initiated, so are all 3 situations a re-jump reguardless of a batted ball by either/both teams?

I think what's confusing you is that 'control' of the ball isn't necessary for a team to violate by knocking a ball out of bounds. Think of a (high school) throw-in. It ends when the ball is legally touched on the floor. It may be batted around by the players trying to gain control. If a player taps it out-of-bounds, it's a violation - ball goes to the other team.