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ChuckElias Thu Jan 05, 2006 09:43am

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Originally posted by Jimgolf
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Originally posted by SmokeEater
IMO, it would depend on the discreation of the official
Now there's a severe penalty!

That penalty would have to come from the assignor, or somebody with almost as much power. . .

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mick Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:34am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Jimgolf
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Originally posted by SmokeEater
IMO, it would depend on the discreation of the official
Now there's a severe penalty!

That penalty would have to come from the assignor, or somebody with almost as much power. . .

:)

assignmentmaker Thu Jan 05, 2006 06:25pm

A quick look at the dialog up till now
 
Nobody (a quick inspection shows) has mentioned an allied, and in my opinion more serious behavior, a staple of the playground, ducking the head and running at - but ultimately avoiding - the shooter. I will warn on the first drive-by. If the kid does it again, it's a T - if for nothing else unsportsmanlike conduct: not heeding my gracious warning.

Jurassic Referee Thu Jan 05, 2006 06:30pm

Re: A quick look at the dialog up till now
 
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Originally posted by assignmentmaker
Nobody (a quick inspection shows) has mentioned an allied, and in my opinion more serious behavior, a staple of the playground, ducking the head and running at - but ultimately avoiding - the shooter. I will warn on the first drive-by. If the kid does it again, it's a T - if for nothing else unsportsmanlike conduct: not heeding my gracious warning.
Why aren't I surprised....

carldog Thu Jan 05, 2006 09:17pm

A 'T' for ducking the head and running at a shooter? Bad defense and a bad call.

Would you care to explain your reference to this move as a "drive-by" ? Just what does that imply?

Just make the obvious calls, Ref.

mick Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:15pm

Re: A quick look at the dialog up till now
 
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Originally posted by assignmentmaker
Nobody (a quick inspection shows) has mentioned an allied, and in my opinion more serious behavior, a staple of the playground, ducking the head and running at - but ultimately avoiding - the shooter. I will warn on the first drive-by. If the kid does it again, it's a T - if for nothing else unsportsmanlike conduct: not heeding my gracious warning.
Nope, and I don't think anybody will want to screw up that fast break on the rebound. ;)
mick

assignmentmaker Fri Jan 06, 2006 01:48am

It's a threat, a taunt
 
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Originally posted by carldog
A 'T' for ducking the head and running at a shooter? Bad defense and a bad call.

Would you care to explain your reference to this move as a "drive-by" ? Just what does that imply?

Just make the obvious calls, Ref.

It has nothing to do with playing the game. It's like kicking at a player as he dribbles by and not making contact. Did something happen? Sure it did.

"Just make the obvious calls, Ref."

jeffpea Fri Jan 06, 2006 03:12pm

This is such a "juvenile" move I can't believe we're spending so much time trying to figure out how to handle it.

Simply tell the kid to knock it off - "otherwise I'll tell your mommy on you"..........one childish act deserves another...:)

Seriously, just hit the kid with a foul or two on the next few possessions when he actually touches somebody and the coach will sit him down or he'll get the message.

tlynch Wed Apr 01, 2009 09:37pm

Unsportsmanlike conduct is behavior or an act that is unbecoming to a fair,
ethical and honorable individual.

I do not see how anyone can think that attempting to distracting a shooter by faking harmful contact is not unsportsmanlike conduct. It is not ethical, fair, or honorable to distract a player in the act of shooting by pretending to harm them.

For a minor violation I would agree that a warning might be well suited for a first time offense, but calling a T is not beyond the intention of the rules.

JugglingReferee Wed Apr 01, 2009 09:51pm

Thread resurrected after 3+ years!

canuckrefguy Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:44pm

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mutantducky Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:57am

anyone here who ACTUALLY still plays basketball knows that a little poke, which some stupid annoying *** people do, can mess up a shot. If no contact is made give a warning then next time call a foul or a T. Make sure it just isn't a stab at the ball or a fake meant to mess up the shooter which would be legal. T would be the third choice but absolutely I agree this is an unsportsmanlike play. If I was in a game and someone kept doing that to me after I warned them then believe me I'm taking the fu%ker out.
I just played so I'm a little hot. no I probably wouldn't do that but I've sent not so subtle messages to make sure it doesn't continue.

kind of cool looking at all these old posts and users who aren't around anymore.

JRutledge Thu Apr 02, 2009 01:38am

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Originally Posted by tlynch (Post 593433)
I do not see how anyone can think that attempting to distracting a shooter by faking harmful contact is not unsportsmanlike conduct. It is not ethical, fair, or honorable to distract a player in the act of shooting by pretending to harm them.

I have a feeling that in 3 years some of these people might have changed their mind. ;)

Peace

just another ref Thu Apr 02, 2009 02:19am

I would think that for the most part this would be a non-issue. The shooter is concentrating on the rim, not the defender. The shooter expects to have a defender come flying at him, and the difference to that shooter in a legitimate block attempt and some kind of weird unsportsmanlike distraction attempt would probably most often not be noticed.

BillyMac Thu Apr 02, 2009 06:31am

Oh, I Thought You Said Three Days, Nevermind ...
 
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 593434)
Thread resurrected after 3 years!

It's Lent.


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