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[Hard]

I have seen a lot of kids (actually only girls' games) both JV and varsity, wherein the kids line up for free throws with their toes in the appropriate spaces but with their heels raised and extended over the neutral block between the first and second positions. The way I read the rules this is a violation as soon as the shooter takes the ball; but I'm not seeing it called. What up?

[assignmentmaker]

Originally posted by Hard
I have seen a lot of kids (actually only girls' games) both JV and varsity, wherein the kids line up for free throws with their toes in the appropriate spaces but with their heels raised and extended over the neutral block between the first and second positions. The way I read the rules this is a violation as soon as the shooter takes the ball; but I'm not seeing it called. What up?

It seems to be in fashion - displaying the female, or male, gastrocnemius, the heel tantalizingly arched over the block.

I swear I almost called it just this season . . . and I have been the first on my block to call some obscure stuff, but this one, I thought I'd say something to the coach first, then never got around to it. If, however, it's going to be an epidemic . . .

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Hard
I have seen a lot of kids (actually only girls' games) both JV and varsity, wherein the kids line up for free throws with their toes in the appropriate spaces but with their heels raised and extended over the neutral block between the first and second positions. The way I read the rules this is a violation as soon as the shooter takes the ball; but I'm not seeing it called. What up?

Quite simply, it's not a concern. There's no advantage gained. I'm more concerned with players stepping into the lane prior to restrictions ending and with contact between players along the FT lane. Very simply put, it's a very petty thing, a game interrupter. I'm not going to play a guessing game, trying to ascertain whether the foot might be hovering over the neutral area or not.

[refnrev]

Around here this happens more in girl's ball. I still can't figure out what kind of advantage she thinks she's getting by contorting her body that way!

[ChrisSportsFan]

It's called an: "I'm going to try to get a rebound but probably won't block anybody out to do it.....breath......pose". It's a very fashionable thing to do in girls basketball.

[Junker]

Take a second and explain that they have to be in their space during a free throw. I've done this a couple of times this year.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Junker
Take a second and explain that they have to be in their space during a free throw. I've done this a couple of times this year.

I've tried explaining this, but then get arguments back from the players. What's the best way to deal with this?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

I've tried explaining this, but then get arguments back from the players. What's the best way to deal with this?

If it bothers you that much, just call it. That'll get their attention.

I'd check with a few expereienced guys in your association before you did that though, Mark. You don't want to be "that guy".

[IREFU2]

I have seen this on the womens side a lot, I think it gives them the thought that they have an edege on the other player. They also have a tendency to stick their hips out too. So I just watch them to make sure they dont violate.

[Junker]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

I've tried explaining this, but then get arguments back from the players. What's the best way to deal with this?

If they argue, call the violation. They'll figure it out.

[Back In The Saddle]

Perhaps they're hoping the judges will award points for artistic impression rather than just technical merit, if the pose is elegant.

[assignmentmaker]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
Perhaps they're hoping the judges will award points for artistic impression rather than just technical merit, if the pose is elegant.

Well said. That's what it looks like.

[refnrev]

Originally posted by assignmentmaker

Well said. That's what it looks like.

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Elegant? Noooooooooooo! Not the one's I've seen. Is this a universal chick thing these days?

[coachgbert]

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Elegant? Noooooooooooo! Not the one's I've seen. Is this a universal chick thing these days? [/B][/QUOTE]

Take it from a girls coach, here are the universal chick things that happen all too often and drive me crazy...

constantly rolling, wrapping, twiddling, pushing, etc. at the shoulder straps of t-shirts, jerseys, or tank tops, no matter how thin the straps are to start with

constantly looking for ways to untuck their jersey, even if an official has just told them to tuck it back in

constantly fluffing, tossing, wiping, fingering ponytails, hair in eyes, braids, sweat bands

inability to stop licking and wiping the bottom of their sneakers when on the floor even though I have told them that it's
a) unhygienic
b) useless
c) looks nasty

I have a rule that forbids "posturing" in the blocks on free throws. We have a demonstration where my older girls mimic the behavior for my younger teams so they know that it doesn't add an advantage AND it looks stupid (plus it makes your butt look even bigger in the shorts when you stick it out and wave it like that when balancing on your tippy toes with one hip cocked at an angle), not to mention it looks like it hurts.

Coach GBert

[refnrev]

Coach GBert,
You forgot:
1. Continually rolling the waistband of their shorts to make the waists come down lower,
2. Telling the rereree it's OK to wear the elastic things that they use to hold their hair in a pony tail on their wrist because they are soft and won't hurt anyone.
3. Yelling, "Ball, ball, ball..." every time they guard someone on defense!
RR