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Jurassic Referee Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:17am

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Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan
Leave it alone and let the coach deal with his players. Now, if they cussing for the whole gym to hear, that's different.

Leave it alone? The fight spilled out onto the court and disrupted the game. That's just ridiculous imo, Chris. Cussing is bad but fighting is OK? This isn't the WWE we're talking about here; it's high school basketball. Throw both of the little sh!ts out. If a fight isn't "unsporting conduct", then I don't know whatintheheck is.:rolleyes:

Geeze, even if you don't feel like calling it a "fight", they're both still on their feet in the bench area. That's a "T" under 10-4-4. Then they both came out onto the court too. That's another "T" under 10-4-2. What's your rationale for leaving those alone?

fonzzy07 Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:02am

Just my 2 cents but if it spilled out onto the court I would have T'ed. If the coaches could have controlled it and it did not interfere with the game I let it go, but since it sounds like it interfeared with the game I would deal with it. New question though. I'm thinking I would have to T up both players. If you were to penelize is this what you would do?

tjones1 Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:12pm

In 4-19-4 it states fighting is a flagrant act. It doesn't say who is envolved, plainly states it's flagrant. Easy enough. I certainly wouldn't ignore it.

Texas Aggie Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:41pm

Dan's right. This IS a fight and subject to the rules governing them.

boiseball Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:47pm

if they are on the bench and you T them up, do we then have issues with the coach sticking around?

no rule book so unable to answer my own question right now

boiseball Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:48pm

sorry, should have said, if they are on the bench and you give them both flagrants and toss them, does that affect the coach and his ability to stick around

Terrapins Fan Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:53pm

My bet is a girl is involved and she should be ejected too.....or maybe not....I did get a big laugh out of this one...you never know what is going to happen at a basketball game.....

Eastshire Mon Feb 05, 2007 02:29pm

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Originally Posted by boiseball
sorry, should have said, if they are on the bench and you give them both flagrants and toss them, does that affect the coach and his ability to stick around

Technicals on bench personnel are charged indirectly to the head coach so the head coach would receive 2 indirect T's of the 3 indirect T's required to disqualify him.

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Feb 05, 2007 04:59pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire
Technicals on bench personnel are charged indirectly to the head coach so the head coach would receive 2 indirect T's of the 3 indirect T's required to disqualify him.

Actually, if he gets a Direct T after receiving 2 Indirects, he's gone too. Don't have my books on me, but I believe it says something to the effect of 2 direct or 3 total to eject the coach.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 05, 2007 08:32pm

Since there is no contact with an opponent. I would point to the following two rules and assess each player with flagrant unsporting technical fouls.

4-19-4 . . . A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or savage nature, or a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct. It may or may not be intentional. If personal, it involves, but is not limited to violent contact such as: striking, kicking and kneeing. If technical, it involves dead-ball contact or noncontact at any time which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive conduct. Fighting is a flagrant act.

4-19-14 . . . An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play.


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